Recent Topics
Cold start tick...
by Doublehaul
12/03/16 11:20 PM
Leaving Fayetteville, North Carolina
by NJC
12/03/16 10:37 PM
Is Old Coolant better or worse than water?
by Ducked
12/03/16 10:35 PM
DIY Transmission Flush or Drain and Fill
by Rochev
12/03/16 10:23 PM
replaced the Sentra cabin filter 2.5 years 32k m
by tomcat27
12/03/16 09:56 PM
Would you use 4 1/2 year old Mobil 1 ?
by sHERM
12/03/16 09:49 PM
mystery rattle in 2015 Rogue - solved
by tomcat27
12/03/16 09:48 PM
John Deere X500, X530
by HM12460
12/03/16 09:41 PM
buying oil in bulk vs when needed to keep records
by motor_oil_madman
12/03/16 09:36 PM
DON'T let this be YOU....slow down.
by SumpChump
12/03/16 09:30 PM
Body Filler Substitute
by Ducked
12/03/16 09:24 PM
2003 5.3 oil pressure sender
by spasm3
12/03/16 09:11 PM
Newest Members
nyquil_junkie, BlackThumb, Roswellien, Luis_Gabriel, Tech_man123
59772 Registered Users
Who's Online
30 registered (bdcardinal, bbhero, akela, bobfather99, AirgunSavant, 3 invisible), 929 Guests and 18 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
59772 Members
66 Forums
257815 Topics
4240910 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG
Topic Options
#3418796 - 07/08/14 08:40 PM Seal Swell in HM
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Have you ever smelled the HM oil? They have seal swell to mostly differentiate it from normal engine oils. But it smell like Brake Fluid DOT 4! So I ask:

Is the seal swell the same additive that goes in brake fluids DOT4 ? What is it? Can one mix them? I don't think so.
_________________________
1995 Ford Taurus 3.0 Vulcan 78k miles Mobil 1 5w30
1993 Subaru Impreza EJ16 121k miles Mobil 1 15w50
1997 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R 38k miles Mobil 1 15w50

Top
#3418801 - 07/08/14 08:42 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
GreenFocus Offline


Registered: 04/20/14
Posts: 125
Loc: Michigan
Don't mix brake fluid with oil to run in an engine.

Top
#3418819 - 07/08/14 08:48 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1944
Loc: USA
ATP-205 is basically a pure seal swelling additive.

Top
#3418902 - 07/08/14 09:31 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17581
Loc: Iowegia - USA
What oils are you talking about?

A similar discussion is going on here:

HM OILS

Each type of lubricant has a different PI (additive) package and base oils.

Never add brake fluid to motor oil.



Edited by MolaKule (07/08/14 09:33 PM)
_________________________
I might wake up in the morning and go for a jog. I might win the Lottery. Either way, the chances are about the same. smile


Top
#3418968 - 07/08/14 10:36 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Trying to discover the additive to seal swell. I know brake fluids have it in them. The smell is familiar. Never mix engine oil and brake fluids, of course. would a seal swell work in a velumoid gasket? or just synthetic rubbers like bunna and stuff?
_________________________
1995 Ford Taurus 3.0 Vulcan 78k miles Mobil 1 5w30
1993 Subaru Impreza EJ16 121k miles Mobil 1 15w50
1997 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R 38k miles Mobil 1 15w50

Top
#3418996 - 07/08/14 11:11 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
bvance554 Offline


Registered: 09/24/12
Posts: 2022
Loc: VA
Yes. If you're nose can identify specific chemical compounds and you feel you have identified said compound in an 'additive' such as brake fluid, then I say go for it.

Top
#3419002 - 07/08/14 11:15 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: 147_Grain]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
ATP-205 is basically a pure seal swelling additive.


Oh yeah, the resealer, sold at amazon ... tere should be pure swellers.
_________________________
1995 Ford Taurus 3.0 Vulcan 78k miles Mobil 1 5w30
1993 Subaru Impreza EJ16 121k miles Mobil 1 15w50
1997 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R 38k miles Mobil 1 15w50

Top
#3419067 - 07/09/14 12:29 AM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17581
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Quote:
Trying to discover the additive to seal swell.


WHY?

For engine oils and ATFs:

tris (C8-C24 hydrocarbyl) phosphite

Bis(2-ethylhexyl) phosphoric acid

Dihexyl Phthalate

and the azelamides such as:
N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-dihexylazelamide, N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-di2-ethylhexylazelamide, N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-di-2-ethylhexylsebacamide

beta-thiopropionitrile

di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate


For brake fluids: IP

You can't go by odor to determine chemical makeup.

Quit sniffing that stuff or your brain will fall out! LOL


Edited by MolaKule (07/09/14 12:39 AM)
_________________________
I might wake up in the morning and go for a jog. I might win the Lottery. Either way, the chances are about the same. smile


Top
#3419075 - 07/09/14 12:36 AM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17581
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: Rosetta
... would a seal swell work in a velumoid gasket? or just synthetic rubbers like bunna and stuff?


Seal conditioners are for conditioning elastomer "seals" such as the nitriles, not gaskets.
_________________________
I might wake up in the morning and go for a jog. I might win the Lottery. Either way, the chances are about the same. smile


Top
#3419651 - 07/09/14 02:47 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Thanks for the info MolaKule. Even though was just out of curiosity, I knew I'd get it in here.
_________________________
1995 Ford Taurus 3.0 Vulcan 78k miles Mobil 1 5w30
1993 Subaru Impreza EJ16 121k miles Mobil 1 15w50
1997 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R 38k miles Mobil 1 15w50

Top
#3419817 - 07/09/14 05:45 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: MolaKule]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 19650
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quit sniffing that stuff or your brain will fall out!

I made the mistake of sniffing anhydrous ammonia in an organic chemistry lab once. I was lucky; I didn't hit the floor. wink
_________________________
Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 coupe - Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40, Wix 51358
1984 F-150 4.9L six - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515

Top
#3419882 - 07/09/14 06:46 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Wow, harder then a Ajax plus blondor ... lol
_________________________
1995 Ford Taurus 3.0 Vulcan 78k miles Mobil 1 5w30
1993 Subaru Impreza EJ16 121k miles Mobil 1 15w50
1997 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R 38k miles Mobil 1 15w50

Top