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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic] #3416084
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
+ Yesterday I was gone for a while and Trajan went after me. .


You really need to see a professional about your persecution complex.

No one is going after you. The truth is you have used it. Said it worked. Said it's at the top of your list. Posted positive results about it over and over.

Now, if you don't want to use it any more, that is your right. But you can't claim that it doesn't work after claiming over and over that it does.

Not without your credibility and veracity being called into question.



Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates




Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan] #3416271
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Trajan, you keep talking about my credibility and veracity. Well, I am not impressed with YOUR credibility and veracity.

I can remember when I had to copy and paste your praise of MMO before your remembered your praise of MMO. Do you recall that? Or would I have to copy and paste again?

And I don't think you are qualified to evaluate my 'persecution complex.'

I can see you are going to try to continue to discredit me by saying I praised Auto-RX in the past. The thing I repeatedly said in the past that made me think the product worked was that a seal leak stopped after I used it.

The Auto-RX crowd really need to rethink things here. They get nowhere by attacking anybody who does not like Auto-RX and they get nowhere by trying to discredit anybody who experienced poor customer care. Several guys here at this website who used Auto-RX can attest to that poor quality customer care.

I moved away from Auto-RX for several reasons. I am done repeating those reasons over and over again for your satisfaction. They are very good reasons to stop using a product.

People here are not dumb. They are not going to believe a product works and use it just because one guy says he did compression testing to prove that the product works. And if people receive poor customer care they are not going to go back.

From your posts above Trajan nobody can figure out if you actually used Auto-RX or not. Did you? Maybe you can do better than the reply above where you both said you had used Auto-RX because of my recommendation and that you do not use it. Care to clarify?

Then you make the silly comment that you are angry at me because you followed my recommendations to try Auto-RX but I later stopped using the product. Well, if you like Auto-RX and you actually use it then IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF I STOPPED USING THE PRODUCT OR NOT! Is that not correct? If you like the product why would you be upset about me recommending it? Can you not see that makes no sense?

Do not mention me again as a user of Auto-RX who was satisfied. Because I was not happy about being attacked for merely suggesting that other products could be talked about in the Oil Additives Section. I was not happy about a guy saying that he received product in exchange for promoting the product. Was that guy telling the truth? I don't know. But by that time I had had enough. And I quit using it right after that. That was YEARS AGO Trajan! I almost quit using Auto-RX, and should had stopped using Auto-RX, after I was attacked for merely suggesting that other things besides Auto-RX should be discussed in the Oil Additives Section. That individual is no longer a member of bobistheoilguy.com. He was banned. Although not for that reason.

After what I experienced as a loyal customer of Auto-RX I will never use the product again. Not ever. I was a good customer and I was treated very badly. I have used and will continue to use MMO and I might use Kreen someday. Lots of guys here talk about MMO and Kreen and are happy with those products. Nobody here has to promote MMO. It is readily and cheaply available from a Wal-Mart Store in my area. Kreen is available from Kano Labs, which is a reputable company as far as I know.

I think I will go get that beer and peanuts now.

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic] #3416280
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Do you remember this statement from you Trajan? It was back in 7/21/2005.

"My V6 Camaro (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter."

Now you put down MMO all the time. I had to copy and paste that statement from you above for you to even admit to it. You like to bring up all the time that since I praised Auto-RX in the past I can't now say anything bad about Auto-RX.

Well, from now on when I see you putting down MMO and saying it does not work, I am going to remind you about how you praised MMO and said that it worked for you when other products did not.

You say I can't say anything negative about Auto-RX because I praised it in the past. Well, in that case you can't say anything negative about MMO. Because you praised MMO in the past.

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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic] #3416287
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Do you remember this statement from you Trajan? It was back in 7/21/2005.

"My V6 Camaro (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter."

Now you put down MMO all the time. I had to copy and paste that statement from you above for you to even admit to it. You like to bring up all the time that since I praised Auto-RX in the past I can't now say anything bad about Auto-RX.

Well, from now on when I see you putting down MMO and saying it does not work, I am going to remind you about how you praised MMO and said that it worked for you when other products did not.

You say I can't say anything negative about Auto-RX because I praised it in the past. Well, in that case you can't say anything negative about MMO. Because you praised MMO in the past.


Yea I read that thread, no biggie. The bottom line is people change their minds that's cool. But when mind changers attack mind changers for changing their minds I have a problem with that, and they should be warned. But if the mods don't care there's not much you're going to do about it.

This thread should die already.

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic] #3416350
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Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.


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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav] #3416380
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



You got that right. I did a lot of digging through old threads, the picture is very clear just about every time the engine cleaning topic comes up.

This time, once again it seems like Mystic is a primary target, and changing his mind was the crime. lol Show me a person who never changed their mind, and I'll show you a liar.

In another day or so I hop in my Wrangler, head east to Utah on my slow way back to VA, so I'll be missing out on the fun. God it feels good to retire early.

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav] #3416382
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



I do then hand over $500-600 for a case depending on exchange rate at the time. Cheap as really

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman] #3416393
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



I do then hand over $500-600 for a case depending on exchange rate at the time. Cheap as really


Glad I don't have to pay anywhere near that if I was to buy it again.

As for the rest.............

Post a favorable comment on the product, and the ARX haters come out right on cue. Looks like Pavlovian conditioning isn't limited to dogs.

Last edited by Trajan; 07/06/14 06:27 PM.


Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav] #3416396
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Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan] #3416485
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Originally Posted By: Trajan


As for the rest.............

Post a favorable comment on the product, and the ARX haters come out right on cue. Looks like Pavlovian conditioning isn't limited to dogs.


As a fairly new member it looks to me like the knife cuts both ways. Usually a stupid comment about mmo or one of the rx competing products starts the ball rolling and the fun begins. At least from my reading these past few days. MMO seems the most hated though. I wonder why it bothers guys so much, especially those who never tried it? I have to do a bit more reading and figure that out.

This stuff makes for some good Sunday afternoon/evening entertainment.

But what I find most entertaining, is changing your mind brings on major attacks, I hope I never post about changing my mind.

Trav- I found your information very informative, and from your credentials it has a lot weight and gained my respect fast. Keep up the good work man.

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic] #3416780
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman] #3416836
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So what you are saying is they have no idea how their product works enough to even publish correct instructions for its use.
Sounds like a tried and test product to me. Grab your shovel and dig in that hole a little. LOL


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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman] #3416910
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that


Cool if that's what it takes for that stuff to work. That's close to $60, and if you have to do a second treatment, a 120 bucks. I have better things to spend $60-$120 on, especially when a $5 qt. of Marvel worked for me for lots of years. If/when needed.

Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.

But like I said before, use it if it makes you happy. .

Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee] #3416937
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Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."

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Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan] #3416968
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile

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