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#3399756 - 06/17/14 12:30 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 11133
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: Nick R
It's a bad motherboard. My grandmothers year old gateway did this literally last week. Was fine before, then 3 beeps, no post, no boot (fans run). I tried a different PSU, different RAM, no change. She bought the service plan on it through Best Buy, so I took it over there and the geek squad guy noticed that some of the caps on the motherboard were in fact bulging. I hadn't even looked for that, as it's barely a year and a half old and I'd never seen caps that new do that before. It was sent out for repair, and sure enough. They replaced the motherboard, and it works perfectly again.



No fan running here....runs like it normally would. But at the moment I'm between the ram or motherboard....


Fans should normally run when you turn the computer on so I'm not sure what you mean. Besides bad ram usually causes crashes and BSODs, not no post conditions
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#3400119 - 06/17/14 08:57 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: Doog]
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Registered: 10/06/13
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Loc: Youngstown, NY
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: daves87rs


Kinda wondering if it might be the memory since my wife has a habit once in a while to just pull the cord if it does not turn off...



My guess...the HD has been crashed one too many times.


Pulling the cord is no different than shutting the computer down to the HDD. No different at all. Drives don't need to be "parked" like they had to 30 years ago anymore. The only problem that can occur from this is file corruption if the plug is pulled in the middle of a write, but certainly not a no boot condition.

This actually sounds much more like a swollen caps problem than anything else.
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#3400136 - 06/17/14 09:26 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 10/08/05
Posts: 115
Loc: Illinois
You can try to pull the memory and put it back. Vacuum out the motherboard. Also re-seat the video card and any other cards in slots. After that, I would not recommend spending anything on a six year old gateway.
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#3400446 - 06/18/14 09:48 AM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 40
Loc: Houston, Texas
CMOS battery wouldn't cause the three short beeps, that's indicative of a memory failure on some motherboards...can't be for certain though unless I knew what BIOS your pc was running.

Try swapping DIMMs/Banks and see if it changes.

The worst that could really happen with a CMOS battery being dead is usually system time/settings not being correctly saved.


Edited by BlitzPuppet (06/18/14 09:48 AM)

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#3400621 - 06/18/14 01:17 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12081
Loc: NE,Ohio
usually with memory failure both chips wont fail at same time.

try booting with 1 chip then the other in the appropriate slot.
(some boards wont boot with 1 chip in the wrong slot)

my $$$ as most others have said is on the MB, so much stuff can go bad on an aging MB compared to cpu or memory.


Edited by Rand (06/18/14 01:17 PM)
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#3400849 - 06/18/14 07:00 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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If you haven't sorted it out yet strip the computer down to the minimum configuration. No PCI cards other than video if there is no on-board graphics, on DIMM, perhaps no hard drives either, just to see if you can reach BIOS.

If you can, either one of the removed components is suspect, or the power supply cannot support all the hardware.
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#3400910 - 06/18/14 07:59 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Didn't have much time on it today, but I did clean it and took a good look inside. Caps on the MB look fine. Plan to play with moving the ram tomorrow.

It was also mentioned to be that it could be an OS issue as well. This happened shortly after a windows update (for vista) Same update done on my labtop I am on how had some odd issues a well. Even blue screened once. I set it back before that update, and it has no issues at all.

Could these updates have screwed this all up to mess up the boot up? Not sure if would still cause those beeps, but I figured I would ask.....
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#3400924 - 06/18/14 08:15 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 11/23/12
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I don't see an OS issue causing the beeps and preventing you to get to the BIOS. I would say your best bet is to try pulling one of the RAM sticks like rand said and booing with just the one. Then switch the sicks and try booting with just the other.
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#3401012 - 06/18/14 09:44 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 03/31/10
Posts: 5354
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Didn't have much time on it today, but I did clean it and took a good look inside. Caps on the MB look fine. Plan to play with moving the ram tomorrow.

It was also mentioned to be that it could be an OS issue as well. This happened shortly after a windows update (for vista) Same update done on my labtop I am on how had some odd issues a well. Even blue screened once. I set it back before that update, and it has no issues at all.

Could these updates have screwed this all up to mess up the boot up? Not sure if would still cause those beeps, but I figured I would ask.....


It wouldn't hurt to look at all the caps again. The Gateway that I was referring to earlier had one bulged cap- and it was very slightly bulged. In fact I missed it the first time around and a friend was actually the one that found it.
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#3401285 - 06/19/14 08:34 AM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 40
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Didn't have much time on it today, but I did clean it and took a good look inside. Caps on the MB look fine. Plan to play with moving the ram tomorrow.

It was also mentioned to be that it could be an OS issue as well. This happened shortly after a windows update (for vista) Same update done on my labtop I am on how had some odd issues a well. Even blue screened once. I set it back before that update, and it has no issues at all.

Could these updates have screwed this all up to mess up the boot up? Not sure if would still cause those beeps, but I figured I would ask.....


The only "Updates" that could screw this up would be a BIOS update...and windows doesn't provide those.

You're definitely looking at something hardware related here, and RAM is the most likely culprit.


Edited by BlitzPuppet (06/19/14 08:34 AM)

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#3401570 - 06/19/14 02:40 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 06/08/06
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I had a PC recently brought to me that was unable to boot after Windows 7 updates. Not sure what happened, but the updates made the partition unreadable. I couldn't restore anything. I'm guessing it was a bios conflict with the new windows update. Reformatted, installed all udpates, everything works fine.

I had never seen windows updates do such a thing before. I thought for sure it was a dead hard drive when I first got it.
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#3401586 - 06/19/14 02:59 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 4937
Loc: Texas
6 years is good service for a computer, take the hard drive out, put it in safe keeping, then recycle the computer.

Go buy another one.

Why the headache?
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#3401597 - 06/19/14 03:10 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: JustinH]
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Registered: 11/23/12
Posts: 1393
Loc: Detroit area
Originally Posted By: JustinH
6 years is good service for a computer, take the hard drive out, put it in safe keeping, then recycle the computer.

Go buy another one.

Why the headache?

???

Let's see, I have a 10 year old desktop that performs better than day one, a netbook that is about 9 years old, my dad has a desktop that is 8 years old and also performs better than day one...

Seriously???
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#3401616 - 06/19/14 03:47 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 4937
Loc: Texas
I see little need in working on an old computer. They are disposable appliances.
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#3401621 - 06/19/14 03:53 PM Re: Memory or motherboard? [Re: JustinH]
ClutchDisc Offline


Registered: 11/23/12
Posts: 1393
Loc: Detroit area
Originally Posted By: JustinH
I see little need in working on an old computer. They are disposable appliances.

If that is what you want, but I will keep the $600+ I saved by not replacing mine!
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