Recent Topics
Filter - 1991 Caprice 5.0l
by WyrTwister
Today at 11:28 AM
Dead Snakes
by AirgunSavant
Today at 10:23 AM
2015 Mazda CX5
by derweed
Today at 10:14 AM
Dunlop Winter Maxx-02
by SubLGT
Today at 10:05 AM
The Fram Pro's
by AirgunSavant
Today at 09:34 AM
ACDelco 10-9395 Dexron VI Automatic Transmission F
by WyrTwister
Today at 09:32 AM
Monitor shows (disks 100%)" Win 7
by daves66nova
Today at 09:31 AM
Modified BMW 335i, N55 oil choice
by HolyOilSeeker
Today at 09:18 AM
Any personal experience with 2011 Acrua RDX Turbo
by Vikas
Today at 09:11 AM
Timing belt question
by supton
Today at 09:00 AM
Mobile Base for Stationay Power Tools
by ET16
Today at 07:19 AM
$12.46 a quart
by bbhero
Today at 05:49 AM
Cooper filters sale autobarn (Australia)
by KL31
Today at 02:38 AM
VWB 5W20 mixing advice in my situation
by zorobabel
Today at 01:11 AM
Free Castrol EDGE (If you go to the Movies)
by Bbonez
Today at 12:29 AM
Mobil 1 Rebates - Spring 2017 ?
by BobbyC777
Yesterday at 11:06 PM
What is with cars with one bright headlight and
by horse123
Yesterday at 10:53 PM
Bought some clearance Fram HM filters. Good to go?
by TinyVoices
Yesterday at 10:30 PM
Castrol 15w40 diesel $9.88/1gal
by Vlad_the_Russian
Yesterday at 09:41 PM
BC 0W30 CHEVY SILVERADO 4X4 5.3
by RedOakRanch
Yesterday at 09:41 PM
Newest Members
Michael_D, tmcgill, AngieGM, 327, cjsiege
60675 Registered Users
Who's Online
82 registered (BeerLube, 2stroke, 901Memphis, Best F100, aquariuscsm, barkingspider, 8 invisible), 2166 Guests and 11 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
60675 Members
66 Forums
261723 Topics
4318566 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Topic Options
#3392693 - 06/09/14 04:44 AM Noisy lifters!
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 686
Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
The hydraulic lifters in my engine are starting to get very noisy! It started getting noticeable last year at around 130,000kms and I thought it was because I let Dino oil go to over 20,000kms before a change and I overheated it in that time (May have started it)
This past year or so I started changing my oil every 7,500kms with the odd change at 2,000 or so yet the lifters are louder than ever! I only use top brand 10w30/40 as recommended in the manual and written on the filler cap

Should I worry about the noise or will it cause no harm?
What are the long term effects of driving with rattly lifters?
_________________________
Car: 2000 Ford Falcon AU2 - 4.0L SOHC I6 @247,000km
Oil: Valvoline Engine Armour 10W30 + LM MoS2 (7.5k OCI)
Fuel: 95 unleaded + TCW3

Top
#3392740 - 06/09/14 06:54 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
Robenstein Offline


Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 5419
Loc: Central IA
I dont know how your valvetrain is set up, but the noise could be wear related(too much valve lash)or like you said it could be the lifters are getting sticky.

I have fixed a couple sticky lifters in a pushrod activated engine with Marvel Mystery Oil, but you may need to have the valve lash checked to fix the noise.
_________________________
2011 Triumph Speedmaster
1986 Chevy Monte Carlo SS
1970 Chevy Nova
2006 Scion TC

Top
#3392750 - 06/09/14 07:07 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
yvon_la Offline


Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 1269
Loc: quebec canada
How are valve train adjusted now a days?hydraulic like in the old days?could be lifter had very hot oil and cooked the oil in the lifter .wich would stick the lifter.or if oil too thick for engine was used .like honda recommend 0w20 so if you d use 5w40 it might be a problem.
_________________________
Truck driver
Nissan versa note s 2014 Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5W-30 supertech st-6607(edition 2016) castrol transynd

Top
#3392765 - 06/09/14 07:32 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 39383
Loc: New Jersey
Could be many things. Id give b-12 chemtool a careful application and see how that does, as well as restore csl. These worked for me, it seems.

My advice on this topic though is that this can happen even on strong running, well maintained engines, and the gentler solvents can't necessarily do the job.

Top
#3392780 - 06/09/14 07:56 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: yvon_la]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 686
Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
Originally Posted By: yvon_la
How are valve train adjusted now a days?hydraulic like in the old days?could be lifter had very hot oil and cooked the oil in the lifter .wich would stick the lifter.or if oil too thick for engine was used .like honda recommend 0w20 so if you d use 5w40 it might be a problem.


This seems the most likely, I ran the car for 20 minutes once with no coolant and the temp gauge was off the scale! These engines have a fail safe cooling sytem (fires on coolest cylinders) and a dual head gasket which means they can be run without coolant but I guess the oil can't withstand these temps even if the engine can.
Also I added a full bottle of Lucas additive shortly after this which gave me a cold start knock so I changed it.
Maybe both these took their toll on the lifters!

Also these are self adjusting hydraulic lifters
_________________________
Car: 2000 Ford Falcon AU2 - 4.0L SOHC I6 @247,000km
Oil: Valvoline Engine Armour 10W30 + LM MoS2 (7.5k OCI)
Fuel: 95 unleaded + TCW3

Top
#3392855 - 06/09/14 09:07 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 10523
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
In the old days Id say run some whale oil derived DEXRON or type F ATF for a while - buts its mineral oil now.
_________________________
2014 Nissan Rogue S CVT, OC#4 24210mi-Castrol Magnetec 5W30+ Fram Toughguard Filter 7317
2015 Forester 6MT 5Door, OC#7 50318mi-PEAK 0W20+Subaru Filter

Top
#3392873 - 06/09/14 09:25 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
4wheeldog Offline


Registered: 04/23/12
Posts: 1454
Loc: East Mountains, NM
Originally Posted By: 19jacobob93
Originally Posted By: yvon_la
How are valve train adjusted now a days?hydraulic like in the old days?could be lifter had very hot oil and cooked the oil in the lifter .wich would stick the lifter.or if oil too thick for engine was used .like honda recommend 0w20 so if you d use 5w40 it might be a problem.


This seems the most likely, I ran the car for 20 minutes once with no coolant and the temp gauge was off the scale! These engines have a fail safe cooling sytem (fires on coolest cylinders) and a dual head gasket which means they can be run without coolant but I guess the oil can't withstand these temps even if the engine can.
Also I added a full bottle of Lucas additive shortly after this which gave me a cold start knock so I changed it.
Maybe both these took their toll on the lifters!

Also these are self adjusting hydraulic lifters


Those lifters are only self adjusting if they are in the range that gives them room to adjust. I'll bet there is a procedure in the workshop manual for initial setting. I would give that a shot, if I were you. Either that, or the lifters are collapsed, from the overheating.


Edited by 4wheeldog (06/09/14 09:26 AM)

Top
#3392907 - 06/09/14 10:22 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: 19jacobob93
Originally Posted By: yvon_la
How are valve train adjusted now a days?hydraulic like in the old days?could be lifter had very hot oil and cooked the oil in the lifter .wich would stick the lifter.or if oil too thick for engine was used .like honda recommend 0w20 so if you d use 5w40 it might be a problem.


This seems the most likely, I ran the car for 20 minutes once with no coolant and the temp gauge was off the scale! These engines have a fail safe cooling sytem (fires on coolest cylinders) and a dual head gasket which means they can be run without coolant but I guess the oil can't withstand these temps even if the engine can.
Also I added a full bottle of Lucas additive shortly after this which gave me a cold start knock so I changed it.
Maybe both these took their toll on the lifters!

Also these are self adjusting hydraulic lifters


Lucas?

Oh dude. That stuff is utter garbage.
It's nothing more than very thick non additized oil therefore all it does is thicken the oil in the sump and dilutes the oils additive package.
If you used that then overheated there is absolutely no doubt in my mind it's created deposits and could very well be restricting oil flow.
Nothing is better than tearing it down and cleaning it manually however if that's not an option then I suggest using an idle flush type product and following the instructions to the letter,then using a conventional oil 1 grade thicker than specified and substituting a quart of oil with either mmo or seafoam or whatever your can find locally and run shortish intervals,like 1500-2000 miles,and monitor the oil daily to see just how quickly it blackens.
If it's very fast you can assume there is a deposit problem,so from there you can assess just how many times you need to repeat the process.

Overheating the engine fried the oil in some spots creating deposits,and those cooked on deposits may not even clean up with a flush type product,it may require manual cleaning.
_________________________
2006 Charger RT
Miles x 2 per oil filter

Top
#3393453 - 06/09/14 08:58 PM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
asand1 Offline


Registered: 12/16/12
Posts: 1514
Loc: Oregon coast
Flush or MMO. Could also be low oil pressure from worn main bearings. A mechanical test gauge would be a good idea.
_________________________
Nissan/Infinity/Mazda Manuals
1996 Maxima 310K
1998 F250ld

Top
#3393638 - 06/10/14 03:11 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: 19jacobob93]
MileHigh18 Offline


Registered: 09/11/13
Posts: 180
Loc: TN
Lucas. Ugh.
_________________________
2002 Trailblazer LT 119K
Pennzoil Platinum 5-30

Top
#3393775 - 06/10/14 08:43 AM Re: Noisy lifters! [Re: JHZR2]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 6160
Loc: North Coast
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Could be many things. Id give b-12 chemtool a careful application and see how that does, as well as restore csl. These worked for me, it seems.

My advice on this topic though is that this can happen even on strong running, well maintained engines, and the gentler solvents can't necessarily do the job.


+1 The B12 will do it. Then do a rinse with cheap 15w40
_________________________
The difference between a beer and your opinion is that I asked for a beer... well except for just now..Coffee2

Top