Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: T-Stick
Please tell me how you would go about establishing comparitive testing of a number of motor oils in a number of identical engines by duplicating the exact same conditions between all engines while at the same time also duplicating all of the real world daily driving scenarios so that every aspect of the oil could be tested at the same time in the exact same way.
Mobil does it all the time. As does Mercedes, Porsche, BMW....etc. That's why those engine companies have their own certifications. Porsche has a really cool engine test rig that replicates laps of the Nurburgring for example.
Mobil has an extensive on-site test facility where they not only test engines but multiple cars. Think thermostatically controlled rooms with individual dynometers that can replicate any sort of load, whilst the manipulation of ambient temperature can be done to replicate cold starts, winter driving....etc.
Quote:
And when the parameters of this test are defined please point to where we can go to see the results of RP being tested in this manner against other oils.
RP doesn't the resources of XOM, SOPUS or BP, so I don't think it is necessarily reasonable to expect them to be able to do the same kind of in-house testing they do. On the other hand, they could pay to have certain specifications/approvals that they currently don't have. AMSOIL for example recently began, at the behest of their dealers and the consumers at large, obtaining the European manufacturer approvals like BMW LL-04, VW...etc. That was a really big step forward for them IMHO and gives them access to a broader user base, people who won't use a non-approved product in their bimmer for example.
Good point. It does add to Amsoil's credibility as a whole in my opinion.
There are many who don't care about actual certifications,and that's fine,they are ultimately on the hook if there is a failure of some sort.
I think if your going to spend a big dollar on a European vehicle the oil changes are pennies compared to the vehicle as a whole and Amsoil getting certified opens a very large market for them.
Up until I found this site I was an Amsoil guy. I used it and only it for many years. I never had an oil related failure in anything ever.
But I never had an oil related failure when using the cheapest oil on the shelf either.
Getting back to RP their synerlec additized oil is special,and I've seen multiple engines(chev 350s) with over 300000 miles and they were spotless,bores had very little flare and could easily have been run longer however they were going into drag cars so heads,cam,intake swaps were being done,and the trucks they came out of were Swiss cheese by then.
The trucks were tow rigs and plow trucks ,so its easy to understand why the bodies,and frames were finished but the engines were as good as new and as far as I know are still out there running.
My point is the 1 armed bandit method of trying to determine anything about an oil is a joke. It represents nothing as far as comparability in an internal combustion engine.
So to keep bringing it up is a comedy at best,and a bad joke at worst.
Originally Posted By: T-Stick
Please tell me how you would go about establishing comparitive testing of a number of motor oils in a number of identical engines by duplicating the exact same conditions between all engines while at the same time also duplicating all of the real world daily driving scenarios so that every aspect of the oil could be tested at the same time in the exact same way.
Mobil does it all the time. As does Mercedes, Porsche, BMW....etc. That's why those engine companies have their own certifications. Porsche has a really cool engine test rig that replicates laps of the Nurburgring for example.
Mobil has an extensive on-site test facility where they not only test engines but multiple cars. Think thermostatically controlled rooms with individual dynometers that can replicate any sort of load, whilst the manipulation of ambient temperature can be done to replicate cold starts, winter driving....etc.
Quote:
And when the parameters of this test are defined please point to where we can go to see the results of RP being tested in this manner against other oils.
RP doesn't the resources of XOM, SOPUS or BP, so I don't think it is necessarily reasonable to expect them to be able to do the same kind of in-house testing they do. On the other hand, they could pay to have certain specifications/approvals that they currently don't have. AMSOIL for example recently began, at the behest of their dealers and the consumers at large, obtaining the European manufacturer approvals like BMW LL-04, VW...etc. That was a really big step forward for them IMHO and gives them access to a broader user base, people who won't use a non-approved product in their bimmer for example.
Good point. It does add to Amsoil's credibility as a whole in my opinion.
There are many who don't care about actual certifications,and that's fine,they are ultimately on the hook if there is a failure of some sort.
I think if your going to spend a big dollar on a European vehicle the oil changes are pennies compared to the vehicle as a whole and Amsoil getting certified opens a very large market for them.
Up until I found this site I was an Amsoil guy. I used it and only it for many years. I never had an oil related failure in anything ever.
But I never had an oil related failure when using the cheapest oil on the shelf either.
Getting back to RP their synerlec additized oil is special,and I've seen multiple engines(chev 350s) with over 300000 miles and they were spotless,bores had very little flare and could easily have been run longer however they were going into drag cars so heads,cam,intake swaps were being done,and the trucks they came out of were Swiss cheese by then.
The trucks were tow rigs and plow trucks ,so its easy to understand why the bodies,and frames were finished but the engines were as good as new and as far as I know are still out there running.
My point is the 1 armed bandit method of trying to determine anything about an oil is a joke. It represents nothing as far as comparability in an internal combustion engine.
So to keep bringing it up is a comedy at best,and a bad joke at worst.
