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#3377187 - 05/21/14 08:51 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: dave5358]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
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Yes, apparently the A2 is for engines and the FC is manual transmissions and differentials.
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#3377426 - 05/21/14 01:58 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: Clevy]
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Posts: 633
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I haven't used lubegaurd however I have used everything else and I gotta say I agree with you.
I'm not one to spend good money on stuff that doesn't work,so if I found a product didn't work as advertised I certainly wouldn't spend good money on it.

I know a couple of VERY reputable locally owned transmission shops. In talking to them about transmission rebuilds, BOTH of them told me that they add a bottle of Lubegard Red and install a Magnefine transmission filter on EVERY transmission rebuild they send out the door. After they started doing these two things, they tell me that comebacks have become virtually non-existent.
Shortly after talking with these guys, I helped a friend move a HEAVY trailer across the country with his diesel pickup which has a transmission temperature gauge on it. As we were driving we somehow got into a discussion about additives. I told him what the transmission shops told me about Lubegard and how the manufacturer makes the claim that it lowers transmission temperatures (and by so doing, prolonging the transmission life). We stopped at an auto parts store that we came across along the way and he bought 2 bottles of Lubegard red. He added both of them to his transmission. Sure enough, the transmission temperature gauge started reading about 30-40F cooler after adding it. We were BOTH sold on it right then!
Since then, I have installed Magnefine transmission filters and added Lubegard red to all of my vehicles.

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#3377579 - 05/21/14 05:09 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: wag123]
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LG Red does lower transmission temps even with full synthetic fluid. I proved it with a scan tool.
I don't remember the exact temp drop but it did drop it enough to make a difference.

Lube Guard, Liqui Moly, BG, Redline, Chevron (Techron), Molykote, Kano Labs and a few others make very good products, no snake oil IMHO.
I must admit i like Lube Guard products a lot, their PS additive works really well also.
As you all know i am not a fan of just using additives for the sake of it but they can be of real benefit in many situations.
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#3377608 - 05/21/14 05:45 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 03/11/13
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I've also heard good things about Lube Guard, but haven't used them. Exactly what does their Red transmission additive do to lower ATF temps?

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#3377609 - 05/21/14 05:46 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: wag123]
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Registered: 08/15/05
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Originally Posted By: wag123
... the transmission temperature gauge started reading about 30-40F cooler after adding it. ...

If the torque converter clutch was engaged near full time in both situations, with similar loads and ambient temperatures, that is a staggering difference I can't fathom assuming proper ATF was already in there.

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#3377993 - 05/22/14 04:21 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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I got Lubegard Bio-Tech in my '98 Saturn SC2 "Red Hot".

Noticed the engine rev's up more free & easy; kind of like accelerating down a hill. smile
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#3378000 - 05/22/14 05:06 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: Turk]
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Registered: 07/03/05
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Originally Posted By: Turk
I got Lubegard Bio-Tech in my '98 Saturn SC2 "Red Hot".

Noticed the engine rev's up more free & easy; kind of like accelerating down a hill. smile



LG makes some great products.
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#3378003 - 05/22/14 05:35 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 10/15/10
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Loc: california
I've had a Valvetrain noise on deceleration for 20k miles on my La318. Different oils change the tone and volume of this noise.

I found m1 0w-40 reduced it by a good 50%, and then it came back toward the end of the OCI.

I am not really pro additive but I figured A can of LM mos2 was not going to hurt anything. I used a full can in with 4.5 quarts of M1 AFE 0w-30.

Got about 1k miles on it now.
Can barely hear the Valvetrain noise at all now, but I can't notice any MPG or power improvements, and the engine has always run smooth as silk.

I got LG red in with my AT+4 too.
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#3379277 - 05/23/14 01:09 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: dave5358]
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Registered: 04/25/13
Posts: 669
Loc: North Bend
In a previous message, I referred to the VW distributed MoS2 product and illustrated with this image from the web:



Here's what a new one looks like:



Even close up, the wording is not so clear, so here is the legend from the tube (from the top down):

AN EXTREME PRESSURE AND ANTI-WEAR ADDITIVE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL MOTOR OILS
AND GEAR LUBRICANTS

MOLYKOTEŽ FLUID CONCENTRATE

[text at left side of tube]
This tube contains recommended amount for
adding to a 5-quart crankcase or 5-pint gear
case. Use in same proportion for other size units

[text at right side of tube]
NOT RECOMMENDED FOR AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS
WILL NOT SETTLE - WILL NOT BE REMOVED BY FILTER

Distributed by VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA Englewood Cliffs, N.J.
Manufactured by The Alpha-Molykote Corp. Stamford, Conn.

[small box on lower right]
Net contents
2 fluid ounces when full
Made in U.S.A

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There is no writing on the back of the tube.

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According to PrivCo, Dow-Corning of Midland Michigan acquired 100% of Alpha-Molykote Corp, Stamford CT in 1964.



Edited by dave5358 (05/23/14 01:12 PM)
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#3379316 - 05/23/14 02:03 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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Loc: Lake Forest, CA
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Just changed oil in the E430 tonight, a total 8 quarts: 5 quarts M1 AFE 0W20, 2 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart M1 5W20 HM plus half bottle Liqui Moly MoS2.

I used to add 1/2 ounces VSOT per quart, I'm running out VSOT.

Update after 1 week:
The car is driven by wife daily about 20 miles round trip 30% highway 70% city, so far she put on about 150 miles. Average speed according to the trip computer is 29 MPH and gas mileage is 20.3 MPG.

When the car had M1 0W40 the first 90-100k miles the gas mileage was around 18.0-18.5 MPG when the average speed was 29 MPH, it dropped to 17-17.5 with 28 MPH average.

About 6-7 years ago I used thinner oil: PP 5W20, M1 0W20 ... with 1 oz per quart VSOT the gas mileage went up to 19.0-19.5 with average speed of 29 MPH, 18.5-19.0 with 28 MPH.

Looks like MOS2 improves gas mileage about 3-5%. Will update the fuel economy in 2-3 months.
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#3379343 - 05/23/14 02:53 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Just changed oil in the E430 tonight, a total 8 quarts: 5 quarts M1 AFE 0W20, 2 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart M1 5W20 HM plus half bottle Liqui Moly MoS2.

I used to add 1/2 ounces VSOT per quart, I'm running out VSOT.

Update after 1 week:
The car is driven by wife daily about 20 miles round trip 30% highway 70% city, so far she put on about 150 miles. Average speed according to the trip computer is 29 MPH and gas mileage is 20.3 MPG.

When the car had M1 0W40 the first 90-100k miles the gas mileage was around 18.0-18.5 MPG when the average speed was 29 MPH, it dropped to 17-17.5 with 28 MPH average.

About 6-7 years ago I used thinner oil: PP 5W20, M1 0W20 ... with 1 oz per quart VSOT the gas mileage went up to 19.0-19.5 with average speed of 29 MPH, 18.5-19.0 with 28 MPH.

Looks like MOS2 improves gas mileage about 3-5%. Will update the fuel economy in 2-3 months.


IIRC Clevy mentioned mpg gains as well using it, over a very long period of recording it.
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#3379397 - 05/23/14 04:31 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 19528
Loc: Lake Forest, CA
I do remember that Clevy did just that, thanks to him that his post was the main reason I tried MoS2.

My dosage is low, 1/2 bottle in a 8.5 quarts sump. I like to try small dosage first to see if there is any negative effect.
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#3379404 - 05/23/14 04:39 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Registered: 04/25/13
Posts: 669
Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I do remember that Clevy did just that, thanks to him that his post was the main reason I tried MoS2.

My dosage is low, 1/2 bottle in a 8.5 quarts sump. I like to try small dosage first to see if there is any negative effect.

Recall that it takes a while for this stuff to coat the engine's innards - maybe 500 miles or more.

You might want to add the full bottle - that's a large sump. As the MoS2 adheres to the metal inside the engine, the oil will stop looking so dark (at which time, you might add a bit more).
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#3379920 - 05/24/14 10:46 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
I've had good luck with mos2 improving highway fuel economy but only in v6 and v8 engines.
Every 4 cylinder I've tried it in the owners did mention that the engine was very smooth and quiet but no fuel consumption changes.
They were newer vehicles too which may have something to do with it as well.
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#3379922 - 05/24/14 10:48 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: dave5358]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I do remember that Clevy did just that, thanks to him that his post was the main reason I tried MoS2.

My dosage is low, 1/2 bottle in a 8.5 quarts sump. I like to try small dosage first to see if there is any negative effect.

Recall that it takes a while for this stuff to coat the engine's innards - maybe 500 miles or more.

You might want to add the full bottle - that's a large sump. As the MoS2 adheres to the metal inside the engine, the oil will stop looking so dark (at which time, you might add a bit more).



That has been my experience with it. It wasn't til the third full tank that I noticed a fuel consumption change.
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