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#3370404 - 05/13/14 12:07 PM BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40
SilverC6 Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
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Loc: Southeast
I'm getting tired of following BMW's flip flops and coded messages on motor oil.

My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

Now with SOPUS being BMW's new vendor of choice, I'm sure Shell Helix or a Euro PUP is going to find its way into the BMW bottle.

An LL-01 5W-30 Euro PUP is probably 3 years out in SOPUS's retail planning horizon.

I'm thinking I'll let the dealer install BMW's oil of choice on the prepaid 10,000 mile maintenance intervals.

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.
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#3370408 - 05/13/14 12:09 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.
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#3370411 - 05/13/14 12:13 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete]
SilverC6 Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.


I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.
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#3370421 - 05/13/14 12:24 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Quattro Pete Offline


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LOL! OK.

Also, amazon still sells PU 5w-40 for about $36/case with subscribe&save and free shipping. Alas, that's still more expensive than M1 at walmart.
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#3370426 - 05/13/14 12:30 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
Good for you! Too many short memories in this declining country. M1 0W-40 is an excellent choice for your application and climate.

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.

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#3370438 - 05/13/14 12:39 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.


Edited by FetchFar (05/13/14 12:40 PM)
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#3370456 - 05/13/14 12:54 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: FetchFar]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
He already said why he didn't want to use Castrol and I applaud him for his stance. M1 0W-40 is a better oil and is really nothing more than a heavy 30-grade anyway.


Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.

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#3370461 - 05/13/14 12:58 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 7094
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.


Win.
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#3370483 - 05/13/14 01:31 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1823
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (05/13/14 01:37 PM)
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#3370508 - 05/13/14 01:59 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
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Registered: 08/04/11
Posts: 2062
Loc: Appleton, WI
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Good for you! Too many short memories in this declining country. M1 0W-40 is an excellent choice for your application and climate.

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.


LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?
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#3370521 - 05/13/14 02:16 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: threeputtpar]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?

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#3370524 - 05/13/14 02:19 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 8381
Loc: Upper Midwest
They're not "British Petroliam" either.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?
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#3370529 - 05/13/14 02:26 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 12335
Loc: Onondaga County
I do like Dawn dish soap. That has saved my white carpet so many times! It's not a good idea to rebuild driveshafts on your white carpet ....
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#3370582 - 05/13/14 03:27 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: kschachn]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
Sorry, spelling nazi. Didn't think this thread was so serious. Petroleum. Happy?

Originally Posted By: kschachn
They're not "British Petroliam" either.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?

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#3370599 - 05/13/14 03:38 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
He already said why he didn't want to use Castrol and I applaud him for his stance. M1 0W-40 is a better oil and is really nothing more than a heavy 30-grade anyway.


Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.



Better?

I'd like to believe so however look at the bottle for the Porsche spec and if it meets it then Porsche feels all oils certified to meet their spec are equal,no matter the brand.
So if that's how Porsche feels who are we to say which is better.
I certainly like the M1 more than Castrol,even though I'm using the Belgian version in my charger right now.
I'm still buying based on price. I wish I could pay American Walmart prices,sometimes I do thanks to Rikstaker. But that's not always the case.
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