Oil in a Subaru wrx sti 350hp

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P.S. - The builder of the U.S. Subaru rally car, Vermont SportsCar, does use Motul 15W-50 but that doesn't necessarily mean that all modified Subaru's that race should be using 15W-50.
http://vtcar.com/services/rally-cars/vt09r-specs/

Application, application, application. Sorry, just had to beat the horse one more time.
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Application you say.

But I thought UK "specialists" don't know anything.

So why do Cosworth recommend 15w50 on their modified short blocks?

Why do ScoobyClinic advise 10w50 on standard and modified Subarus ?

Why do RCM specify 15w50 on modified and and standard Subarus?

The reason I mentioned the Gobstopper is nothing to do with oil specs it was due to your belief that all "specialists" outside North America a less than able.

So I made mention of RCM's history, Roger Clark Motorsport, Roger Albert Clark Rally, which was renamed RAC Rally. Do you understand the connection?

Do you understand how long that particular UK "specialist" has been trading and developing cars for motorsport and modifying them for high performance road use?

I assume you think Cosworth are an American firm aswell? Rather than one that started up in a shed in London in the late fifties/early sixties.

Is there any reason why you chose to be so obtuse? Rather than simply admit that UK Subaru specialists are more than a few years ahead in their life of Turbo Subaru development and therefore they may have learned a trick or two.

And I would personally consider a 2.2 Boxer lump running mauls pistons and I would suspect copious boost to be a prime candidate for the best oil going.

One other small details I think a few have misunderstood the OP's temperature requirements.

I read it as -15oC to 25 oC which is a fair temperature range, very similar to what you get in large swathes of Western Europe

I don't know why I am trying to explain this to somebody who is certainly a fan of thin oil, and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially as my '04 WRX was almost certainly ran on 5w30 from the factory, however as I specced Mobil 1 at the 1000 mile service I suspect that it may have been 0w40 from then on.

Now I would also say that the OP will almost certainly have no issues running 0w40 or 5w30 to the shops with low boost and low revs.

Would that continue on the track or under more aggressive usage?

No, it wouldn't. The engine will suffer.

So the general consensus in the UK is to spec oil to cover all scenarios.

I suspect ScoobyClinic are more comfortable speccing 10w50 for all year use and to be honest they have. Much smaller R&D budget, if in fact they have any. Now RCM have certainly invested large amounts of cash into R&D and have come up with 15w50 for year round use.

Note it is not common to use different oils in summer and winter in the UK.

And on the subject of cold starts, the engine internals will not be wiped clean of the oil left when previously ran.

It follows that if you are running a high quality full synthetic 15w50 or 10w50 than the oil left to cling to the moving parts and costing all those nooks and crannies will be either 15w or 10w and will therefore provide protection whilst the sump oil is circulated by the pump, correct?

And due to the relative difference in cold viscosity and intact hot viscosity surely the thicker the oil the more will remain inside the engine waiting to protect on start-up? At least that is the way I see it.

But since my knowledge on this is limited I go with a specialists opinion.
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Roger Albert Clark Rally, which was renamed RAC Rally.


Ha! All of this time I thought that stood for Royal Auto Club Rally!


Originally Posted By: bigjl
I assume you think Cosworth are an American firm aswell? Rather than one that started up in a shed in London in the late fifties/early sixties.


They most certainly are one of the best, (if not THE best), and most prolific, automotive/racing engineering firms out of Jolly Ol' England, despite their 'cottage industry' beginnings.
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Mobil are definately one of the best around, yes I am biased.

5w30 is widely specced for normal use and 10w50 is specced by some specialist along with 15w50 so I reckon it is within recommended limits.

By that I mean a 5w-- is specced by some and --w50 are specced by some

A mate ran Millers Motorsport oil in is non turbo Legacy and I am sure it was something similar, it might even have been 10w60 (triple ester full synth) or 10w50 (triple ester full synth), he did this due to the vehicle only ever being used at high speed on motorways (knowing him probably 90mph plus) and was running LPG.

He never had any oil related issues and only problem was one valve due to not running flashlube.
 
Sorry Flashlube is an additive to protect the valves when running LPG as it wears out the valve seats in certain cars.

I wouldn't have an issue running that oil in a tuned Subaru. It is certainly a quality oil.

He never had any engine issues and only sold the car due to being offered a new lease car at a cost he couldn't turn down.

He ran his car for at least 50k miles on the 10w60/10w50 oil. Not sure what his OCI was, though knowing him it was a minimum of 10k miles if not a lot more!
 
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Well, I think there's no need to debate whom is England in motorsports, enough to mention that the first Formula 1 race in history was there, in 1950, in Silverstone, the first professional-prepared rally car was a Mini Cooper...
On the topic - in such a high output engine I would put an ester oil like Motul 300V, choozing the viscozity according to your driving style and weather conditions.
 
Motul 300V is reputed to be a very good oil, but expensive in the UK you can get it from OpieOils.

Though I still gravitate towards the opinion of specialists in this vehicle.

Google a few specialist across Europe and the US, perhaps even New Zealand or Australia and then Email them a query, outlining what you are using the vehicle for and under what conditions.
 
Originally Posted By: Semantr
where you can find analyzes of motul 300v ?


I haven`t done UOAs of 300V, but for me the important thing is that Motul 300V has been the only oil to keep its pressure high enough even after hours of ¨spirited driving¨, I've made some drift days (lasting some hours) with this oil and my engine stayed absolutely quiet, no lifters ticking, no strange noises. I know some people with oil pressure and temp gauges in their cars (I think WRX STI has them also?) and have assured myself that Motul 300V even reaching 150 degrees still keeps 4 bars (and even more) of pressure on idle, and there's not many oils capable of this, the majority last 5 minutes in these circumstances and the oil pressure drops to some dangerously low levels.
WRX STIs have a high performance engine and yours is not even stock, I guess it gets really hot, it's good to have some oil that can guarantee oil pressure in all conditions and offer good protection.
For me Motul is an oil that has prooven itself.
 
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Originally Posted By: squareznboxez
posted this up a few times around here, below is my thread asking about oils for 2.0L and 2.5L subaru motors;

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2721537&page=1

Delvac 1 5w-40 (Group IV PAO base) & Shell Rotella T6 5w-40 (Group III semi-synthetic) seem to the oil of choice for those looking to go with a diesel oil

Shell's Rotella T6 has been getting outstanding results for Subaru motors;

as your engine is fairly modified, Shell Rotella T6 5w-40 or Delvac 1 5w-40 are great choices

dan


Hey all,

First time posting here and hoping you guys can help. I own an 06 STi 2.5L with a forged engine putting out about 330hp at the wheels. I'm based in NZ so can't get the Rotella T6 here. We do however have the SHell Helix range and was wondering if one of the 5w40 in that range is an equivalent to the Rotella T6.

I'm currently running Mobil Delvac MX but after about 2500km the oil goes fairly black so it doesn't last very long.

Sorry for reviving an old thread and thanks in advance!
 
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There are plenty of good posters here from your neck of the woods; hopefully, at least one of them will comment. I think the Shell product goes by Rimula down there. Delvac 1 should be available in your part of the world, too. Which MX are you using? I think there are three varieties in New Zealand. By the way, turning black isn't much of an issue.
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Originally Posted By: Semantr
Hello.
I am from Russia. Need your opinion on what kind of oil to pour in the winter (-15 - 25 C) in a Subaru WRX STI 2.2, forged pistons (Mahle), 350hp +, often winter races, sprints.
Need reliable oil, with good protection against wear.

Thx.


What year is your Subaru?

Do you know the engine code as well?

i'll have a look on Autodata for you

Riggaz
 
Delvac MX is 15w40 CI4+. There is no Shell equivalent to T6 in NZ or Aus. Delvac 1 is the only 5w40 synthetic I know of that is officially available and known to work well in petrol engines. But you don't need an HDEO for a WRX engine, Helix Ultra 5w40 is a fine oil for a performance vehicle.
 
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