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Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN #3339808
04/11/14 01:41 PM
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Curiosity got the best of me. Add pack looks a little stronger then AFE and has a higher flashpoint.

Here is the link to a VOA of Mobil 1 0W-20 AFE: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2243763



2014 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT All-Terrain 5.3 4x4
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3339826
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Thanks for your contribution. I have to say though, I am not impressed with the add pack on paper.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
56,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
44,xxx miles
Castrol Edge 0w40 / OEM filter
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3339940
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Thanks for posting. Which Amsoil is Blackstone referencing in the comments?


2004 F150 285k mi. Pennz Plat HM 5w-20, Wix 51516XP
2003 VW Jetta TDI, 238k mi. Amsoil HDD 5w-30, Mahle
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3339973
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Seems they've copied Valvoline using Mg in place of high levels of Ca-it'll be interesting to see the UOA on it.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3340054
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However they would have to get it (more Ca, Bn, or Mg), I would have thought this product would have a higher starting TBN than shown, unless it's TBN retention is exceptionally outstanding? shrug


2016 Ford Fiesta ST 17K miles
Ravenol DXG 5W-30
Amsoil Ea15K51 filter
Ravenol MTF-2 in the IB6 transaxle
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: R80RS] #3340114
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Originally Posted By: R80RS
Thanks for posting. Which Amsoil is Blackstone referencing in the comments?


Signature Series 0W-20 which I had in my Accord (sold car). Amsoil and Mobil 1 aren't really that similar when it comes to additives. Amsoil uses almost no magnesium but a lot more calcium.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3340408
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Interesting.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3340535
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gonefishing - Thank you very much for this VOA! Very interesting - Great Flashpoint!

Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3340557
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Guys,

This oil, in comparison to M1 0W-20 AFE, has about 110-120 ppm more Ca & Mg (Mobil 1 has been using the Ca/Mg combo in all of their SN oils with the exception of M1 0W-40), and 100-200 ppm more Zn and Ph.

This is for more wear control and detergency at higher OCIs.

I expect it will have excellent results, given the quality base stocks used, if users will trust it and not moan at TBNs of <2.0.

I just put it in the ex-wife's 2008 R18 Civic along with a Fram Ultra 7317 filter.

Going to have her run it through two complete cycles of the MM, then sample. I am that confident in it, after seeing 2010 FX_4's results on 0W-20 AFE.

And all this talk about changing oil when the TBN crosses TAN, or is 1/3 of original is simply inaccurate, outdated HDEO methodology.

I will have Blackstone test TAN, TBN and 40C viscosity, as well.

The M1 AFE and EP oils are state of the art, but you have to use them to their full potential.

Take care,
Gary


2013 Summit White Chevrolet Cruze Eco 6AT 65k miles M1 0W-30 AFE/OEM (ACDelco/Hengst), VML ATF, Goodyear Assurance Fuel-Max
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: Tucson Five-O] #3346799
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Originally Posted By: Tucson Five-O
Guys,


The M1 AFE and EP oils are state of the art, but you have to use them to their full potential.

Take care,
Gary

+1......Couldn't agree with you more Gary.

M-1 0w20 AFE has worked great for me, and I will continue to use it with a Fram ULTRA filter for up to 10K OCI's.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3347300
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Thanks for posting this analysis.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3347309
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Thanks for taking the trouble/time/money to do this. I was going to do it soon and you saved me the same. This looks good on paper and I suspect it will perform very well in my FX4.


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2018 Mercedes Benz C300 2.0L Turbo [Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40 & Mann filter]
Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3347628
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Finally EP in 0W20 from M1, but at least on the paper Castrol Titanium FST (Gold Bottle) 0W20 looked better if my memory serves me right!


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: bullwinkle] #3350469
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Seems they've copied Valvoline using Mg in place of high levels of Ca-it'll be interesting to see the UOA on it.


You get TWICE the TBN and detergency from Magnesium compared to Calcium. So the 750 ppm of Mg is equal to another 1500 ppm of Calcium.

Don't let the reduction of calcium and the use of magnesium fool ya.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Extended Performance VOA with TBN [Re: gonefishing] #3350787
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