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#333700 - 02/20/05 03:52 AM The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1925
Loc: SE MI
I was waiting around K-mart and decided to check out their Fram oil filters.

Their PH2 w/ the black grip/coating didn't look that bad.

Are they really still **** poor oil filters? Can I run one for 7500 miles?

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#333701 - 02/20/05 03:56 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
Triple_Se7en Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 7877
Loc: 1/2 hr. north of Detroit
Both K-Marts here in Clinton Township also sell the STPs. That would be a better choice - or venture over to WalMart for their house brand SuperTechs.

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#333702 - 02/20/05 03:58 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 21690
Loc: Colorado Springs
The "upgrade" ones other than the basic sure grip are decent; metal end caps etc. All of them still use that ultra cheap bypass valve however. There's still way better filters out there for way less money.

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#333703 - 02/20/05 04:02 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
T-Keith Offline


Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 4869
Loc: MN
Their construction hasn't change for years. All the previous discussions should still be relevant. What looked so good? Does that orange glow hypnotize people or what?

-T

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#333704 - 02/20/05 04:12 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
Virtuoso Offline


Registered: 02/25/03
Posts: 2698
Loc: Lincoln, NE
quote:
Originally posted by T-Keith:
What looked so good? Does that orange glow hypnotize people or what?

-T

[LOL!] I'm beginning to believe so...

Better filters to be had for the same (or less) dough.

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#333705 - 02/20/05 08:47 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
PulMax Offline


Registered: 02/03/05
Posts: 254
Loc: WI
I had the misfortune of changing oil on 2 cars that had frams this weekend.

Arrgghh...first off, they never want to come off, and second, they crush like beercans when you try to get em...I've never had any other filter do this. On one car, a 4 cylinder toyota, I had to effing PB Blaster the filter and get it off with a channel-lock. Told my friend to never ever use them again. On his other car, the gasket actually came off of the filter...a little too easily, if you ask me.

screw Fram.

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#333706 - 02/20/05 11:03 AM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
pee-wee Offline


Registered: 03/26/04
Posts: 73
Loc: Vancouver BC
They are still shyte filters unfortunatly...

What realy blows me away is that Honda is using Fram as OEM replacement filters...

Im sure Frams do the job, but there many other filters on the market that do better for the same price

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#333707 - 02/20/05 11:16 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
BlazerLT Offline


Registered: 08/15/04
Posts: 2366
Loc: Canada
quote:
Originally posted by metroplex:
I was waiting around K-mart and decided to check out their Fram oil filters.

Their PH2 w/ the black grip/coating didn't look that bad.

Are they really still **** poor oil filters? Can I run one for 7500 miles?

Only Fram to ever use is a Fram Extended Guard (X2).

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#333708 - 02/20/05 11:37 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
motorguy222 Offline


Registered: 03/19/04
Posts: 1815
Loc: Ky
Metroplex,FRAM is your Father,go to the dark side. [Big Grin]

Just kidding,I too have thought about using them again.

I used them almost exclusivly on an 84 Chevy 4 cyl that at last known milage was around 161-162,000+ miles

I dont know if it still runs or not but they didnt seem to hurt it any.

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#333709 - 02/20/05 11:50 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 30389
Loc: ME
If you must get the sandpaper grip, pick up some advance auto store brand filters... purolators @ $2.48 ea. The label comes off easy and you have a "generic" red grippy filter.

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#333710 - 02/21/05 03:09 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
Greaser Offline


Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 1992
Loc: Windsor,Ontario
G.M. should have painted the Aztec that orange color [Big Grin] ...if that's all it took to sell them...I go by my sense of smell to buy things...was raised by wolves [freaknout]

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#333711 - 02/21/05 03:37 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1925
Loc: SE MI
I've been to Murrays, Advance Auto, Autozone, Pep Girls, and K-mart... I haven't seen a single filter under $2.99 other than Motorcrafts and Supertechs at Walmart (which are quickly going out of stock and being replaced by Fram).
I haven't seen STPs or non-Frams at K-mart for the past 3-4 years. They used to have Penske filters (Wix) that I bought at $1.97/filter! Then they phased it out and I stopped shopping at K-mart.

I've seen Frams at $3.99/filter while others are generally $4.99/filter or higher.

The way I see it, the filter media shouldn't clog during a normal OCI on a healthy motor. So that leaves the bypass valve and ADBV as being the "wear" parts in an oil filter.

Has anyone cut open a recent Fram to check on these 2 parts (on say, a PH2 or PH8A, common filters for Fords)? Or are we still going by the minimopar oil filter study that was done 6-7 years ago?

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#333712 - 02/21/05 06:14 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
KJA426 Offline


Registered: 07/09/04
Posts: 651
Loc: Punxsutawney, PA.
If I had to use a Fram filter I would use the Tough Guard instead of the orange Extra Guard. Fram filters still sell well because they are one of the biggest names in filters regardless of quality. Another thing that helps is that race fans see a lot of Fram HP-1 racing filters on Nascar,World of Outlaws cars, and Top Fuelers and think that if it's good enough for the pros then it's good enough for them. They don't realize that the pros use oil for a very short period of time and that the HP-1 isn't the same as the basic cheapo Extra Guard.

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#333713 - 02/21/05 06:40 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
Thomas Pyrek Offline


Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 575
Loc: Wisconsin
quote:
Originally posted by metroplex:
Has anyone cut open a recent Fram to check on these 2 parts (on say, a PH2 or PH8A, common filters for Fords)? Or are we still going by the minimopar oil filter study that was done 6-7 years ago?

I cut apart a ph8a 2 years ago and it was still the same thing. Looking down the filter I still saw all the same parts as I did 2 years ago.


If they change anything they will make it cheaper, not better.

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#333714 - 02/21/05 07:45 PM Re: The Dark Side is drawing me in (Orange actually)
T-Keith Offline


Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 4869
Loc: MN
quote:
Originally posted by metroplex:


Has anyone cut open a recent Fram to check on these 2 parts (on say, a PH2 or PH8A, common filters for Fords)? Or are we still going by the minimopar oil filter study that was done 6-7 years ago?

Do a search, there have been tons of studies done on lots of different filter models.

Two of my favorites. [Wink]

http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html
http://www.oilfilterstudy.com

-T

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