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#3332808 - 04/03/14 09:56 PM Honda K series cam galling issue....
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
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I was just doing some research on this hoping to find an answer but didnt find one anywhere. Was this problem ever rectified? I know the early K24's had this problem, and even some J35's in the Pilots. Some said a thicker oil was needed, some said it was a problem from the factory. Has anybody experienced this issue? And did Honda FIX the issue or is it still going on as the miles add up.
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#3332821 - 04/03/14 10:12 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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The cam galling was supposed to be an issue on the K20 of the '02-'05 civic si as well. I sold mine at 232K miles and although it was consuming about a quart per 1000 miles the cams were as good as one could expect at that mileage. I suspect some were getting the cam galling due to oil starvation by letting their oil run low...only my opinion, though.
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#3332826 - 04/03/14 10:16 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Brule]
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Originally Posted By: Brule
The cam galling was supposed to be an issue on the K20 of the '02-'05 civic si as well. I sold mine at 232K miles and although it was consuming about a quart per 1000 miles the cams were as good as one could expect at that mileage. I suspect some were getting the cam galling due to oil starvation by letting their oil run low...only my opinion, though.


That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?
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#3332837 - 04/03/14 10:25 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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I'm not sure I've ever actually seen or heard of this on a K24, but with UOA's every 3K I'd think you'd catch it... Otherwise, it will certainly be visible during a valve adjustment (which you should probably have done if you haven't already).

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#3332859 - 04/03/14 10:41 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: JOD]
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Originally Posted By: JOD
I'm not sure I've ever actually seen or heard of this on a K24, but with UOA's every 3K I'd think you'd catch it... Otherwise, it will certainly be visible during a valve adjustment (which you should probably have done if you haven't already).


Well, one was performed around 100K at the dealer. So I never saw anything. Im not necessarily concerned about my vehicle, although if its something that still exists I would take precautionary measures.
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#3332885 - 04/03/14 11:24 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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Originally Posted By: gregk24

That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?


I drove it not exactly gently for the last 112k miles. It was consuming from the start...1.5 qt/1000mi. to 1 qt/1000 by the end. Up to around 185k miles all I ever used was M1 or O'Reilly syn 5w20. After that I experimented with TropArtic, Castrol HM, and even Amsoil with the same results. I was generally running 5w30 at the end...but even that couldn't help with the consumption.
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#3332892 - 04/03/14 11:40 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Brule]
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Registered: 07/29/13
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Originally Posted By: Brule
Originally Posted By: gregk24

That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?


I drove it not exactly gently for the last 112k miles. It was consuming from the start...1.5 qt/1000mi. to 1 qt/1000 by the end. Up to around 185k miles all I ever used was M1 or O'Reilly syn 5w20. After that I experimented with TropArtic, Castrol HM, and even Amsoil with the same results. I was generally running 5w30 at the end...but even that couldn't help with the consumption.


"It was by design per honda" I read that consistently on all rsx forums, there was maybe 1 or 2 people who reported low consumption to none, everyone else was 1 qt every 1000 miles, I read about 30 pages on about 3 different forums when I was doing research before buying a car.
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#3332937 - 04/04/14 02:11 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
I know the early K24's had this problem, and even some J35's in the Pilots.

How do you know that?

All I find in my extensive Honda documentation (which stops partway through 2010, unfortunately) is TSB 08-032. This TSB discusses a problem that affects only two dozen Canadian-built '08 Civic SI's with K20 engines. In that case, incorrect assembly led to insufficient lubrication, excessive heat buildup, and scoring of the camshaft.
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#3332998 - 04/04/14 06:31 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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You can find a lot of anecdotal information on the internet about this in the K24s. It seems to affect the earlier ones...meaning prior to about 2004. I don't know if Honda made a design or materials change to the camshafts or not. I don't know if it was ever a real problem or not. I do know that mine look peachy. So there's some more anecdotal evidence.

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#3333047 - 04/04/14 07:32 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?
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#3333087 - 04/04/14 08:14 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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Here is a link to my story. To this day, the engine still ticks like a bugger but it hasn't died. It now has around 175,000 miles on the clock.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1533554/1
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#3333119 - 04/04/14 09:01 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
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So Honda engines aren't all made by the hand of the divine?
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#3333120 - 04/04/14 09:03 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: propuckstopper]
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Registered: 04/13/13
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Originally Posted By: propuckstopper
Here is a link to my story. To this day, the engine still ticks like a bugger but it hasn't died. It now has around 175,000 miles on the clock.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1533554/1


So you never changed out the camshaft? What oil have you used since the issue started? And how long has it been galled? Also, I just listened to your recording of the sound, and it sounds a lot like piston slap. Does the noise go away when warm?


Edited by gregk24 (04/04/14 09:16 AM)
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#3333144 - 04/04/14 09:52 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 06/24/04
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?


I think that was a probably a mischaracterization of an acceptable oil consumption specification. Most manufacturers' specification is less than 1 quart per 1,000 miles. I think someone misspoke if they claimed that Honda engines are designed to burn 1 quart per 1,000 miles.

If they are, then our two are way out of tolerance. Neither one uses a measurable amount of oil.

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#3333184 - 04/04/14 10:45 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?


I think that was a probably a mischaracterization of an acceptable oil consumption specification. Most manufacturers' specification is less than 1 quart per 1,000 miles. I think someone misspoke if they claimed that Honda engines are designed to burn 1 quart per 1,000 miles.

If they are, then our two are way out of tolerance. Neither one uses a measurable amount of oil.


In a post a few months back, I mentioned a friend of mine that went 11000 miles on valvoline nextgen oil in a 2005 J30. He never checked it and when I checked it for him, it was still at the full line.

Honda makes good engines. That's why I got a bit confused when it was said they designed it to burn oil.
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