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#3305762 - 03/08/14 09:18 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: gregk24]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1946
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Cant wait to see a VOA of the new PP 0w20 and PUP 0w20.


+1

Grateful that Pennzoil is making an effort to get the info out ahead of their full product line being available on the shelves. Seems they are using this fine Forum for advertising as well.

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#3305988 - 03/09/14 09:28 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
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A little bummed out that the 0w-20 VI isn't higher. Getting closer to 200 would have made it more competitive with OEM offerings.
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#3305994 - 03/09/14 09:31 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
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Wow, thank you for going through the trouble to share this with us. I really appreciate it.
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#3306024 - 03/09/14 10:28 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
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Kudos to SOPUS for going above and beyond. My wallet will show them some love in the future.
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#3306720 - 03/10/14 02:58 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: Clevy]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
What I found most interesting is pennzoil saying in no uncertain terms that there is no such thing as a group 3+ Nor any + when grading base stocks. So take that to all those who told me I was wrong when I wrote that there was no such thing as a + base stock.

Of course, that's technically true. But, look at their answer to question 8, notably the last sentence:

"Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic products use 100% PurePlus Base Oils."

There is no such thing as a "+" base stock, but a "plus" base stock exists?
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#3307067 - 03/10/14 11:57 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: Garak]
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Registered: 09/12/12
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Clevy
What I found most interesting is pennzoil saying in no uncertain terms that there is no such thing as a group 3+ Nor any + when grading base stocks. So take that to all those who told me I was wrong when I wrote that there was no such thing as a + base stock.

Of course, that's technically true. But, look at their answer to question 8, notably the last sentence:

"Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic products use 100% PurePlus Base Oils."

There is no such thing as a "+" base stock, but a "plus" base stock exists?

Check out the answer to question four under GTL/Testing. They state that the PurePlus base stock is Group III and reiterate that there is no API classification of Group III+ base stocks. PurePlus is Pennzoil's marketing term for their GTL base stock. Fancy names and slogans are par for the course in motor oil marketing, just like M1's "Advanced full synthetic", Castrol's "SPT" (Syntec Power Technology), Amsoil's "The First in Synthetics", and Kendall's "Liquid Titanium". When you see the TM mark, you know you are dealing with a trademarked name for a product rather than a description of its governing body specifications.
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#3307847 - 03/10/14 11:24 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: NMBurb02]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Check out the answer to question four under GTL/Testing. They state that the PurePlus base stock is Group III and reiterate that there is no API classification of Group III+ base stocks. PurePlus is Pennzoil's marketing term for their GTL base stock. Fancy names and slogans are par for the course in motor oil marketing....

That was the point. We all realize it's marketing, and they're doing the same thing. Sometimes, these Q&A's need a proof reader to ensure that answers don't peg the baloney meter.

I don't give a hoot about fancy slogans or proprietary names for base stocks. Get the product on the shelves, widely and reliably and at a good price.
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#3307972 - 03/11/14 04:53 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: laserred96gt]
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Registered: 07/14/13
Posts: 1281
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: laserred96gt
So they say shelf life is 4 years, I still have 25 quarts of PP that I got at oreilys clearance that are dated 2011, I better start using them up first. I thought shelf life would be longer than 4 years, maybe this STASH thing isn't too good of an idea.


And Mobil says 5 years even opened so long as capped and cool. Another + for Mobil.

And anyway, what happens? Does the liquid reverse itself into gas? LTG?

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#3307973 - 03/11/14 04:56 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: Garak]
TrevorS Offline


Registered: 07/14/13
Posts: 1281
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Clevy
What I found most interesting is pennzoil saying in no uncertain terms that there is no such thing as a group 3+ Nor any + when grading base stocks. So take that to all those who told me I was wrong when I wrote that there was no such thing as a + base stock.

Of course, that's technically true. But, look at their answer to question 8, notably the last sentence:

"Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic products use 100% PurePlus Base Oils."

There is no such thing as a "+" base stock, but a "plus" base stock exists?


Not only do they call it plus, they say it is better than base stocks hydro cracked from dino.

So they certainly seem to believe there are different classes of base oils within a group.

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#3307985 - 03/11/14 05:31 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: TrevorS]
Garak Offline


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And that's certainly fair. But, they stumble into the same marketing speak. In comparison, look at Petro-Canada's site. They're quite proud (and justifiably so) about their Group III base stock. They'd certainly be entitled to call it a Group III+, but don't bother. They compare their method to "normal" Group III methods, and were touting theirs as clear (water white I believe is their term) ages ago.

Pennzoil, too, has every reason to be proud of their base stocks. But, they use marketing speak the same as anyone else.
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#3308042 - 03/11/14 07:57 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
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Several people on this forum that are in the industry have always said that Group II/III+ was just marketing.

Now you guys are saying that Pennzoil is inferring that these oils are Group III+ because they call them PurePlus? That's funny. No oil company that sponsors BITOG is ever allowed to come up with marketing slogans again. LOL

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#3308180 - 03/11/14 10:49 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
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Loc: California
Overall I was disappointed with the answers.

Eg they were asked if Platinum and Ultra used GTL already. The answer was given for Platinum only and gave a date of "2013" which is a bit vague.

There was an answer that Noack of Platinum is below 10% when I think there are already official TDS that show higher.

The Ultra Euro 5w40 is being rebranded as Platinum while the 0w40 SRT will be Ultra Platinum. Yet they say Ultra Platinum is better than Platinum.

In their complete list they said all 3 Euro oils would be Platinum and have 5w30, 0w40 and 5w40. Then when asked about VW diesel, they listed 2 5w30 Ultra Platinum oils that would meet the spec. These oils weren't in their complete list.

I do like that they have settled into the idea that their oils are about keeping your engine clean, that the base oil helps with this and the Ultra keeps things 65% cleaner compared to Platinum 40% cleaner. So we have a major manufacturer saying that synthetic over the same interval keeps things cleaner and modern engines with turbos and DI can benefit.

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#3308185 - 03/11/14 10:59 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: TrevorS]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Overall I was disappointed with the answers.

Eg they were asked if Platinum and Ultra used GTL already. The answer was given for Platinum only and gave a date of "2013" which is a bit vague.

There was an answer that Noack of Platinum is below 10% when I think there are already official TDS that show higher.

The Ultra Euro 5w40 is being rebranded as Platinum while the 0w40 SRT will be Ultra Platinum. Yet they say Ultra Platinum is better than Platinum.

In their complete list they said all 3 Euro oils would be Platinum and have 5w30, 0w40 and 5w40. Then when asked about VW diesel, they listed 2 5w30 Ultra Platinum oils that would meet the spec. These oils weren't in their complete list.

I do like that they have settled into the idea that their oils are about keeping your engine clean, that the base oil helps with this and the Ultra keeps things 65% cleaner compared to Platinum 40% cleaner. So we have a major manufacturer saying that synthetic over the same interval keeps things cleaner and modern engines with turbos and DI can benefit.


I rarely agree with you however I do here.
The answers given were standard form answers to questions that repeated themselves and got a repeated answer.
On paper it looks as though pennzoil took a step backwards however once we start getting some data,from members with trending used oil analysis we'll see just how well tbn/tan hold up and see just how many miles the products will truly go
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#3308217 - 03/11/14 11:38 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: Quattro Pete]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6612
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Just mix some 0w-20 with some 0w-40. smile


Yeah, that occurred to me.

But what is the problem with 0w30 that makes it so hard to produce an oil with significantly higher VI and lower KV40 than many 5w30's? Look at Mobil's 0w30; it has lower VI than both their 0w20 AFE and 0w40 EF, and its 40C viscosity is actually higher than M1 5w30. Redline's 0w30 also goes about the same way; its VI is lower than the 0w20 and 0w40 that are supposed to be its companions.
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#3308223 - 03/11/14 11:45 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum with PurePlus Technology Q&A [Re: wwillson]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
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They also said in multiple instances that they will be migrating GTL base oils to their HDEO's. I'll be looking forward to that.

It's also interesting that the current RT6 has no GTL content.
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