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#3283300 - 02/15/14 05:01 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: ccl088]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: ccl088
Copper @ 101 for one..

What copper numbers should a factory fill that has been run for almost 10,000 miles display?
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#3283318 - 02/15/14 05:11 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: walk23]
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Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 3415
Loc: Chattanooga, TN
Originally Posted By: walk23
. The high wear numbers and high silicon causes me to wonder whether shorter first oil changes are the way to go. Any opinions ?


Well, metal wear is related to miles driven and in this case we also have the break in period where iron and copper are usually huge. I would love to see labs start reporting wear metals in PPM/mile as that is more relevant that just PPM. 20 PPM of iron in 3000 miles may be of a little concern but 20 ppm of iron in 10,000 miles, fantastic! Of course after the engine has been broken in and that can be anywhere from 20,000 t0 50,000 plus miles

Silicon numbers at 10,000 miles kind of useless due to break in. Remember UOA is trend analysis and need several more samples to really get some concept of how the engine is breaking in and operating


Edited by Spector (02/15/14 05:13 PM)

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#3283438 - 02/15/14 07:16 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: dustyroads]
cookieman214 Offline


Registered: 03/18/08
Posts: 51
Loc: SC
Originally Posted By: dustyroads
Very impressive! Does TGMO off the shelf have sodium or titanium in it?


Toyota 0W-20 SN Virgin UOA

Iron 0.7
Nickel 0.0
Chromium 0.1
Titanium 0.2
Copper 0.0
Aluminum 1.5
Tin 0.7
Silicon 5.7
Potassium 0.0
Sodium 1.1
Boron 0.6
Barium 0.0
Calcium 2829
Magnesium 12
Molybdenum 124 Was 800 SM rated
Sodium 1.1
Phosphorus 906
Sulfur 3489
Zinc 910
[email protected] 37.38
[email protected]100C 8.54
VI 216
TBN 6.84

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#3283505 - 02/15/14 08:28 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: ccl088]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19718
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
Originally Posted By: ccl088




Copper @ 101 for one..


That's not alarming at all, a lot of engines put out a lot of copper (such as the LS2 in my Corvette) but yet the other wear metals remain low, which shows that the copper in the oil is not abrasive. Just look at the other wear metals in this report, they are incredibly low. So all that copper in the oil is not a cause for concern at all.

I would be impressed with these numbers even for a fully broken in engine, so to see this run with 10k on the factory fill, just blows me away. I see absolutely no reason to call for early oil changes based on this UOA.
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#3283692 - 02/16/14 01:56 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: chaser06]
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Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 1940
Loc: Upper Midwest by the Lakes USA
Thanks for sharing. I just sent in my 2013 Camry 2.5L TGMO 0W-20 for analysis and expect test results back in about a week. I sure hope mine comes back as nice, especially since my sample is a 3k oil change. I am sending it in because the car has to idle 20 min per day during that last 3k ( brutal cold -12F to -27 F) followed by a 40 mile hwy trip. Curious to see if the oil has thinned due to fuel dilution or if it has burned it off.
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#3284990 - 02/17/14 09:56 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: chaser06]
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 14153
Loc: Canada
That isn't exactly TGMO.

What it is, I suspect, is Mobil Super 0W-20, Mobil less-expensive syn oil. We know Mobil makes the FF for Toyota, so they are using a lower-cost option for the FF.

We know this because Mobil Super uses Ti in it's add pack, we've seen this in VOA's.
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#3285172 - 02/17/14 12:49 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: chaser06]
Maxima97 Offline


Registered: 02/11/12
Posts: 324
Loc: WA - Washington
My think is the same Mobil 0w-20 in FF. The UOA looks great. Just change it out after 7.5k. No big deal.
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#3285349 - 02/17/14 04:02 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: addyguy]
chaser06 Offline


Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 114
Loc: Wisconsin
I searched for a VOA for mobil super synthetic 0w20 voa and the closest I got was for a 5w20. Do you have a link?
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#3285351 - 02/17/14 04:03 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: Maxima97]
chaser06 Offline


Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 114
Loc: Wisconsin
Why do you recommend changing it out at 7.5K?
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#3290739 - 02/22/14 03:08 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: chaser06]
SumpChump Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 1940
Loc: Upper Midwest by the Lakes USA
What amazes me is that his Moly is 160something and my UOA on the same oil but with 1/3 as many miles came back with Moly of 54.
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#3290743 - 02/22/14 03:15 PM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: SumpChump]
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Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 8462
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: SumpChump
What amazes me is that his Moly is 160something and my UOA on the same oil but with 1/3 as many miles came back with Moly of 54.


Originally Posted By: SumpChump
Thanks for sharing. I just sent in my 2013 Camry 2.5L TGMO 0W-20 for analysis and expect test results back in about a week.


Was this on your Corolla or Camry?

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...-20#Post3289770
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#3291245 - 02/23/14 01:00 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: SatinSilver]
SumpChump Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 1940
Loc: Upper Midwest by the Lakes USA

Was this on your Corolla or Camry?

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...-20#Post3289770 [/quote]

My New Camry.... Well actually my new Corolla also. Both had Moly of 54 to 44 range after many less miles on the oil than the OP's. Like 1/3 the miles for my Camry oil and 1/9 the mile on the Corolla oil. And both of mine were not factory fills as the OP's was. These were TGMO second and third fills, again, with many less miles on the oil. Could he have had SM rated TGMO for his factory fill? Can't understand how my Moly was lower .

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#3291376 - 02/23/14 07:53 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: SumpChump]
chaser06 Offline


Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 114
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: SumpChump

Could he have had SM rated TGMO for his factory fill? Can't understand how my Moly was lower .


My vehicle was built in August 2013 so I would say it's unlikely the factory had inventory of SM then.

Our usage patterns are very different. My usage is almost all highway miles with little warm up. Your's see extensive warm up and more city/rural usage.

It's still surprising however that TBN can be so low in one and Moly has taken such a hit.

What's your plan?
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#3291388 - 02/23/14 08:13 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: chaser06]
SumpChump Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 1940
Loc: Upper Midwest by the Lakes USA
No plan other than frequent oil changes. Blackstone mentioned all was goin great. Perhaps they know something about the motors as they break in, eating up the TBN and Moly? They expressed no concern in their narrative report heading box.

I guess my plan also includes 'watch'. As in pay for another UOA in the next two oil changes to see if the Moly and TBN are still being eaten (down).
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#3292650 - 02/24/14 10:12 AM Re: 2014 Camry 2.5L, 9925 miles, 0W20 Factory Fill [Re: SumpChump]
chaser06 Offline


Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 114
Loc: Wisconsin
I'd be interested in seeing a UOA of your use when temperatures rise and you're not warming up the vehicle(s) as much.


Edited by chaser06 (02/24/14 10:13 AM)
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