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#3320170 - 03/22/14 07:57 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: dave1251]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 656
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Really? I have not been involved in a rear end accident in 18 years. Trust me cell phones were not a factor.


dave1251- Really? Good for you, you must be quite lucky then. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here, though. Do tell. And actually, cellphones were not a factor in my 2 rear-enders either. Careless drivers and alcohol and drugs were- I got rear-ended at stoplights, both from quite a distance and with nowhere for me to go, and one of the drivers kept accelerating after rear-ending me.

Trust me, whatever magical skills you think you possess to avoid rear-enders, they are not always avoidable.

FYI:
Maricopa, AZ- Population: 44,803
Los Angeles, CA- Population: 3,858,000

That's almost 100x the population, FYI. Yeah, let that sink in a bit.

Now try moving to LA or another BIG city, drive there for 12 years, then get back to me. I'm gonna guess you're overestimating your driving skill and underestimating your luck and the fact you are driving in MUCH easier surroundings.
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#3320193 - 03/22/14 08:22 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: moving2]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8377
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: moving2
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Really? I have not been involved in a rear end accident in 18 years. Trust me cell phones were not a factor.


dave1251- Really? Good for you, you must be quite lucky then. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here, though. Do tell. And actually, cellphones were not a factor in my 2 rear-enders either. Careless drivers and alcohol and drugs were- I got rear-ended at stoplights, both from quite a distance and with nowhere for me to go, and one of the drivers kept accelerating after rear-ending me.

Trust me, whatever magical skills you think you possess to avoid rear-enders, they are not always avoidable.

FYI:
Maricopa, AZ- Population: 44,803
Los Angeles, CA- Population: 3,858,000

That's almost 100x the population, FYI. Yeah, let that sink in a bit.

Now try moving to LA or another BIG city, drive there for 12 years, then get back to me. I'm gonna guess you're overestimating your driving skill and underestimating your luck and the fact you are driving in MUCH easier surroundings.


I lived in and drove for 12 years in San Diego for 12 years let that sink in for a bit.
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#3320200 - 03/22/14 08:29 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: dave1251]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
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Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: dave1251

I lived in and drove for 12 years in San Diego for 12 years let that sink in for a bit.


dave1251- About 1/3 the population of LA? Not much to let sink in. I've driven the 805S and the 5N during rush-hour many times. Peanuts. Also, you have yet to explain what you were trying to imply with your post (that it had nothing to do with cellphones), nor your magical rear-end avoidance skills. Do tell.
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#3320202 - 03/22/14 08:30 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: moving2]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 7832
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: moving2
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Really? I have not been involved in a rear end accident in 18 years. Trust me cell phones were not a factor.


dave1251- Really? Good for you, you must be quite lucky then. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here, though. Do tell. And actually, cellphones were not a factor in my 2 rear-enders either. Careless drivers and alcohol and drugs were- I got rear-ended at stoplights, both from quite a distance and with nowhere for me to go, and one of the drivers kept accelerating after rear-ending me.

Trust me, whatever magical skills you think you possess to avoid rear-enders, they are not always avoidable.

FYI:
Maricopa, AZ- Population: 44,803
Los Angeles, CA- Population: 3,858,000

That's almost 100x the population, FYI. Yeah, let that sink in a bit.

Now try moving to LA or another BIG city, drive there for 12 years, then get back to me. I'm gonna guess you're overestimating your driving skill and underestimating your luck and the fact you are driving in MUCH easier surroundings.



Obviously you know nothing about AZ.
Maricopa is just outside of Phoenix. Phoenix with its neighbor towns (which there is no gap between cities) with Mesa, chandler, Gilbert, Scottsdale, Peoria, Glendale, Avondale and more is over 4 million people
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#3320209 - 03/22/14 08:34 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: Nick1994]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 656
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Nick1994

Obviously you know nothing about AZ.
Maricopa is just outside of Phoenix. Phoenix with its neighbor towns (which there is no gap between cities) with Mesa, chandler, Gilbert, Scottsdale, Peoria, Glendale, Avondale and more is over 4 million people


Nick1994- and you obviously know nothing about Los Angeles. If we're comparing metro areas, fine.

Phoenix =3.252 million
LA = 16.37 million

Questions?
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#3320229 - 03/22/14 08:44 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: moving2]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8377
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: moving2
Originally Posted By: dave1251

I lived in and drove for 12 years in San Diego for 12 years let that sink in for a bit.


dave1251- About 1/3 the population of LA? Not much to let sink in. I've driven the 805S and the 5N during rush-hour many times. Peanuts. Also, you have yet to explain what you were trying to imply with your post (that it had nothing to do with cellphones), nor your magical rear-end avoidance skills. Do tell.


Lets see I drive about 200 miles a day four days a week for work in a F250 service body. 120 miles a week getting to work in a F150 FX4. Once a month I drive to the Mexicali area to visit my in laws normally in a Focus. There is no rear end avoidance. I rather drive in the L.A. area than Mexicali. Leaving in a trailer hitch in is not accident avoidance. If someone is going to rear end you. You are going to get rear ended. A distracted driver will not notice a hitch in or not because the driver is distracted.
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#3320245 - 03/22/14 08:53 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: dave1251]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 656
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: dave1251

Lets see I drive about 200 miles a day four days a week for work in a F250 service body. 120 miles a week getting to work in a F150 FX4. Once a month I drive to the Mexicali area to visit my in laws normally in a Focus. There is no rear end avoidance. I rather drive in the L.A. area than Mexicali.


dave1251-

1. If there is no rear-end avoidance, as you say, then what was your point in mentioning you have never been rear-ended in 18 years, and cellphones have nothing to do with it?

2.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Leaving in a trailer hitch in is not accident avoidance. If someone is going to rear end you. You are going to get rear ended. A distracted driver will not notice a hitch in or not because the drive is distracted.


a) As for a trailer hitch being accident avoidance, that depends. If people follow a vehicle with a hitch more cautiously than they do one with no hitch (which may include distracted drivers being less distracted), then you are probably better off rear-ender-wise. This is what I have observed. Maybe your experience differs.

b) You're correct in that a distracted/drunk/high driver is going to hit you one way or another. The difference is the damage they do, or do not do. In my case, I received NO damage in 2 rear-enders thanks to my trailer hitch.
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#3321887 - 03/24/14 11:14 AM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: Traction]
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Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 10670
Loc: NH
Yeah, because everyone lives in a big city, that is important.

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You know, it wasn't until this thread that I started noticing just how many people have the trailer hitch left in. For some reason I just filtered it out. Now I can't help but notice.

Thanks very much!

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#3321931 - 03/24/14 11:42 AM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: supton]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 4612
Loc: In the Garage...
[quote=supton]You know, it wasn't until this thread that I started noticing just how many people have the trailer hitch left in. For some reason I just filtered it out. Now I can't help but notice.

/quote]

No doubt, and it is not just trucks. There are a ton of mini-vans and SUVs around here with them left in as well.
Like I said I don't care either way, but it is pretty common.
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#3322055 - 03/24/14 01:35 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: Traction]
whip Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 2286
Loc: ohio
I can't stop laughing at the way Moving2 presents his opinion as fact, but disregards all other opinions as rubbish. At least it's entertaining.
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#3322082 - 03/24/14 01:59 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: Traction]
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 90
Loc: LA ( lower Alabama )
WOW! what a thread, who knew... never gave it much thought either way. Pretty good entertainment while I ate lunch though.
I take mine out, just looks better. Unless I forget smile
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#3322260 - 03/24/14 05:15 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: whip]
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1st world problems.
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#3322269 - 03/24/14 05:28 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: supton]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 656
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: supton
Yeah, because everyone lives in a big city, that is important.

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supton- no, but those who do live in a big city are probably more likely to be involved in a rear-ender- that's all I was saying. As for why a trailer hitch has been beneficial for me, I've already gone over that.
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#3322276 - 03/24/14 05:33 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: whip]
moving2 Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 656
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: whip
I can't stop laughing at the way Moving2 presents his opinion as fact, but disregards all other opinions as rubbish. At least it's entertaining.


I can't stop laughing at the way whip totally avoids responding to my posts directed at him, but then jumps back in to throw in ad-hominems...while continuing to avoid responding to posts that expose flaws in his "logic". I wish it were more entertaining, but alas...

whip- I believe I've already addressed this with you, but here you go since you seem to have a short term memory:

Originally Posted By: whip
...have there been studies to prove this?


Originally Posted By: moving2

It is anecdotal evidence presented as my observations and experience over 12 years driving both with and without a hitch on busy LA freeways where tailgating is quite common. Drivers tailgate me less often, and leave more space when following me and when coming to a stop behind my vehicle; the difference is pretty noticeable. You may not be one of those drivers who is more cautious around a hitch, but my observation is that a lot of other drivers are. And, while I can understand your need for a scientific study, because the difference was readily apparent in my experience, that's all I need to know to leave the hitch on; not to mention the protection it has offered my vehicle in 2 accidents- see above.

If you're truly interested in obtaining statistically significant data, please do let me know what you find.


If you read that as presenting "facts" vs. explaining why I leave my hitch on based on my experience driving with it on and off, then might I politely suggest you work on your reading comprehension. grin2

Again, the difference between us here is that I've responded to each of your points and I've pointed out specific faults in your arguments, while you haven't succeeded in doing the same; on the contrary, you've not-so-slyly dodged my questions. You're not fooling anyone by running away from this:

Originally Posted By: whip
I never made any claims about attachments on the rear of my vehicle affecting how those following me drive.


You did say this:
Originally Posted By: whip
So based on your experience, you would tailgate me if I taped pillows to my bumper? [...] You said a hitch makes people back off because of the increased danger. Conversely, it would make sense that a soft target would make people drive closer because of the reduced danger. Based on your anecdotal evidence, that seems perfectly logical. How is that grasping at straws?


...and then refuse to address the lack of "perfect logic" I've pointed out in your argument. Again, I'm all ears in hearing you actually address this.

...still waiting...LOL. crackmeup
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#3322277 - 03/24/14 05:34 PM Re: WHY leave trailer hitch on ! [Re: Traction]
wirelessF Offline


Registered: 10/04/07
Posts: 1606
Loc: Oahu, Hawaii
lol I just oiled my tow hitch the other day. test drove it over some speed bumps and rough road and rattles how I like it.

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