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#3281021 - 02/13/14 05:48 PM Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO)
Whitewolf Offline


Registered: 10/05/06
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I'm looking into UTTO (Tractor Hydraulic Fluids). What I am finding in some cases is not good. Under treating the additive is more common than I thought so what I am looking for is what brand do you use and then has anyone done VOA on the product, that way it is possible to tell in most cases what exactly is being done. Believe it or not some of the really cheap products have little or no additive content at all!
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#3281078 - 02/13/14 06:38 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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I use John Deere HyGard(ISO 46)/HyGard Low Vis(ISO 32). I have never had a VOA done but I have used this fluid exclusively in all of my hydraulic/tractor applications for over 25 years without issue.

You are correct, there are several sub-par fluids available using out of date specs to catch your attention thinking that they're current.
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#3281127 - 02/13/14 07:30 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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Registered: 10/09/11
Posts: 4744
Loc: USA
I wonder how "Navi Gard" does.Seems that is always the amongst the lowest price stuff.

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#3281235 - 02/13/14 09:12 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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So what have you found that is good and what is bad. For tractor or Bobcat?

I buy the stuff at TSC for my Bobcat. Its a TSC brand of tractor and hydraulic fluid.
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#3281237 - 02/13/14 09:14 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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buy brand name also certain things you learn to avoid.. like ones that list certs from 1970's
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#3281245 - 02/13/14 09:22 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Donald]
Whitewolf Offline


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Basically you have to look at the physical and chemical properties for a start. We all know that for a UTTO there are only three realistic additive suppliers namely Lubrizol, Oronite and Afton. For all of them we know what the [email protected] should look like at the correct treat rates. So it's not difficult to figure out when something doesn't look quite right.
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#3281297 - 02/13/14 10:03 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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Registered: 11/05/13
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Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
What I am finding in some cases is not good.


Which products in particular are you talking about?

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#3281395 - 02/13/14 11:56 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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We use Valvoline Farmplus Hydratrans.
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#3281443 - 02/14/14 01:36 AM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Ramblejam]
Whitewolf Offline


Registered: 10/05/06
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Loc: MI, USA
I am not in a position to name names right now for legal reasons but I know that under treating and additive dilution is going on and I'm not the only one. It's worse than ATF! What people have to look for is wording such as 'recommended for use' or 'meets requirements'. The packaging often looks convincing but it seems that the contents are not.


Edited by Whitewolf (02/14/14 01:37 AM)
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#3281748 - 02/14/14 10:26 AM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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Loc: Iowegia - USA
If a customer has any questions about the additive treat rate in a UTTO, I would advise him to get a VOA and submit it here so we can comment.

I don't think under treating is widespread, but as in some motor oils we have seen, via PQIA, there are some unscrupulous distributors out there.
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#3281973 - 02/14/14 01:10 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: MolaKule]
Whitewolf Offline


Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 2802
Loc: MI, USA
You are correct a new oil analysis is needed. It's a bigger problem than perhaps you think. I have been shocked. That's why I raised this subject.


Edited by Whitewolf (02/14/14 01:14 PM)
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#3282033 - 02/14/14 01:58 PM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: MolaKule]
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I think that the problem is greater than you think!
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#3290520 - 02/22/14 11:52 AM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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Registered: 07/01/13
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Loc: Ottumwa, Iowa
I would go with the manufacture recomended fluid instead of a universal fluid. On certin applications there is a noticible difference. If it is just a dry clutch standard transmission that uses tge trans fluid for hydraulica then you can get away with a universal fluid. Anything with wet clutches powershift or hydraulic brakes are sometimes touchy.
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#3388575 - 06/04/14 11:03 AM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: Whitewolf]
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Registered: 06/27/12
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Loc: MO
I always tell people to look for a J20C (or J20D for cold-weather) fluid. That is still the flagship specification for the industry.

The inferior products typically will be made from line wash, napthenic base oils and with little or no additive. They'll make claims like JDT303 or call it "303 Fluid"
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#3389349 - 06/05/14 05:10 AM Re: Universal Tractor Transmission Oil (UTTO) [Re: jake88]
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Registered: 10/26/08
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Loc: Northern, NY
Originally Posted By: jake88
I always tell people to look for a J20C (or J20D for cold-weather) fluid. That is still the flagship specification for the industry.

The inferior products typically will be made from line wash, napthenic base oils and with little or no additive. They'll make claims like JDT303 or call it "303 Fluid"


x2.

http://www.tractorlife.com/lawsuit-raises-questions-fluid-quality/

http://www.tractorlife.com/303-tractor-fluid-problems-offset-upfront-savings/
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