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#3255822 - 01/22/14 12:11 AM MPT Industries 5w-30 (30K Version) VOA
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 939
Loc: Md, USA

I sent off for this VOA because of the disappointing analysis I got a few weeks ago.


MPT UOA

The fine folks at MPT sent me some replacement oil to try it again at a lesser interval, they believe the UOA was affected by some type of fuel additive (I don't think I even used any). I still don't see how the TBN would be so low.

Blackstone Comments:

Thanks for the notes. We found some lead in this sample, so we ran it twice and it was still there,
so that could account for a bit of what was found in your Sentra's sample. Silicon is an antifoaming additive
and it's harmless in that form. There were some unusual additive levels in this oil. Note zinc. It read lower
than phosphorus, while in most oils it's the other way around. We also found a lot of molybdenum (antiwear
additive) and that could be why insolubles read high; it's probably just additive falling out of suspension. The
TBN was strong at 11.5, since 1.0 is low.



ALUMINUM-1
CHROMIUM-0
IRON-1
COPPER-1
LEAD-3
TIN-0
MOLYBDENUM-943
NICKEL-0
SILVER-0
TITANIUM-0
MANGANESE-0
POTASSIUM-1
BORON-12
SILICON-10
SODIUM-3
CALCIUM-2755
MAGNESIUM-12
PHOSPHORUS-1579
ZINC-1044
BARIUM-0

Water%-0
cSt Viscosity @ 100C-10.47
SUS Viscosity @ 210F-60.9
Flashpoint in F-4.45
Fuel %-0
Antifreeze %-0
Insolubles %-0.5
TBN-11.5




Edited by montero1 (01/22/14 12:12 AM)
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#3255827 - 01/22/14 12:24 AM Re: MPT Industries 5w-30 (30K Version) VOA [Re: montero1]
901Memphis Offline


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Loc: Northern Kentucky
Yikes this stuff looked good on paper last time I posted it but it's definitely not extended drain compatible if it can't do 15k in that engine like a batch of Mobil 1 EP could.
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#3265935 - 01/31/14 01:45 PM Re: MPT Industries 5w-30 (30K Version) VOA [Re: montero1]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10139
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Interesting oil similar to the old RL SL/SM 5W-30 but even heavier with a HTHSV of 3.9cP and 158 VI.

This really is a 40 grade oil, being heavier than M1 0W-40 and I can see why MPT recommends it for BMWs.
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#3265947 - 01/31/14 01:54 PM Re: MPT Industries 5w-30 (30K Version) VOA [Re: CATERHAM]
kschachn Offline


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Loc: Upper Midwest
Are you saying that they recommend it for BMWs strictly on the basis of viscosity?

Not slamming you as AFAIK this is what everyone does. Why, no one ever knows. But it is typical.

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
This really is a 40 grade oil, being heavier than M1 0W-40 and I can see why MPT recommends it for BMWs.
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#3284165 - 02/16/14 02:19 PM Re: MPT Industries 5w-30 (30K Version) VOA [Re: montero1]
Wilhelm_D Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 818
Loc: Tacoma, WA
Originally Posted By: montero1
The fine folks at MPT sent me some replacement oil to try it again at a lesser interval, they believe the UOA was affected by some type of fuel additive (I don't think I even used any). I still don't see how the TBN would be so low.

I ran into this MPT motor oil some time ago.

Since the last thing I want to do is try an unproved new oil on my expensive engines, I appreciate your going first.

What I did do is look into MPT Industries.

MPT Industries

I first found that MPT Industries, Auto Chic, and OC Products are not business names registered with the Secretary of State in New Jersey. Additional digging found M.P.T. Racing, Inc., in Dover, NJ, incorporated in 1985 at the address of MPT Industries. Additional digging turned up Michael Trueba, Jr, as president of this privately held corporation.

I then ran down the business location on the NJ Division of Taxation website and found that 85 Franklin Rd 6B is a condo in an office building containing 41 offices. 6B is owned by Hamilton Park Realty LLC, which is a Brooklyn, New York entity with no disclosure on ownership.

At that point my conclusion was that if this oil wrecked my engine getting compensation for it was going to very difficult.

For those of us who go back to the early days of synthetics this all seems too familiar.

I am not sure who is blending this oil, but my guess is that it isn't MPT Industries, which appears to be a sales operation. The odd results you're getting in the analyses seems to confirm that hunch.

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