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#3260876 - 01/26/14 07:01 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
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Crazy as it sounds, that's a good deal.

It would be great if Shell would bring Helix 10W-60 to the US in their Pennzoil Ultra Euro line up.

But that would be very unlikely.

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#3261213 - 01/27/14 04:19 AM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
bigjl Offline


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I'm with Overkill and NMBurb on this.

M engines have a choice of the two oils listed. Not any LL01 oil
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#3262124 - 01/27/14 10:45 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: bigjl]
SilverC6 Offline


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Originally Posted By: bigjl
I'm with Overkill and NMBurb on this.

M engines have a choice of the two oils listed. Not any LL01 oil


Castrol's Belgian 0W-40, GC (now Belgian too), and M1 0W-40 are fine for the 4.4 liter M engine in the 2012 to current M5 and M6 models.
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#3262647 - 01/28/14 12:59 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
gatorfast Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 9
Loc: Fla
At first I interpreted the bulletin to mean that any LL-01 oil was approved for the S65 engine. Now after studying it some more I am not so sure.

I was planning on making the switch to M1 0-40 next oil change but Im second guessing that. I wish BMW would provide some clarity frown
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#3263604 - 01/29/14 09:56 AM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
330indy Offline


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it is a simple choice. run the oil you know is approved, and IF you have an engine issue/warranty is good.

oh.... and get the extended warranty!


Edited by 330indy (01/29/14 09:58 AM)
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#3275080 - 02/08/14 05:13 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: BMW Oil Supplier Listing Aug2013 V2
*The following is the only recommended and approved synthetic oil for BMW M (Motorsport) vehicles in the US market with gasoline engines, at the present time.

BMW Long-life rating LL-01 Synthetic Oils for BMW M vehicles
equipped with S54, S62, S65 or S85 engines

Castrol EDGE Professional TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic Engine Oil, BMW part number 07 51 0 009 420
or
Castrol Edge Professional OE 5W30 Synthetic Engine Oil, BMW part number 07 51 0 037 195

This list is a cluster**** in more than one way. BMW part number 07 51 0 037 195 is a low-ash LL-04 oil for diesel engines. They want you to run it in your gasoline M engine? Right...
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#3276204 - 02/09/14 05:55 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
rw19 Offline


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Lets get realistic. Most luxury owners don't do there own oil changes. I doubt BMW cares about this confusion. Heck they might be causing it to prevent you from your doing your own. Wouldnt be the first or the last time!
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#3276222 - 02/09/14 06:23 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: rw19]
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Originally Posted By: rw19
Heck they might be causing it to prevent you from your doing your own.

Agreed. I basically came to the same conclusion the last time this topic was discussed - let's scare the average Joe into thinking that BMW/Castrol oil is the only oil that can be used, and make him think that the safest thing to do is to have him bring the car to the dealer.
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#3300792 - 03/03/14 10:41 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
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Registered: 03/01/14
Posts: 13
Loc: WA
I'm up for an oil change and am thinking of mixing my castrol 10w60 with either castrol 0w30 or 0w40 which I hear is new. My engine in the winter rarely hits 210 degrees so I'm thinking the 10w60 is too thick. As summer approaches I tend to burn oil, so as I do I'm thinking I will add 10w60 as weather gets hotter. To start I was going to do 6qt of 10w60 with 3qt of the thinner stuff. Any thoughts? I have read and read and read on this topic both here and on the m3 forum and so many running M1 0w40 have had great blackstone reports and are claiming better power because engine isn't working as hard with the thinner oil. I would love input from anyone on this. I know what BMW says and what the manual says but a guy in AZ probably wouldn't use the same oil as a guy running in near freezing temps right?
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#3301207 - 03/04/14 12:25 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: brian_fantana]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
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Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: brian_fantana
I'm up for an oil change and am thinking of mixing my castrol 10w60 with either castrol 0w30 or 0w40 which I hear is new. My engine in the winter rarely hits 210 degrees so I'm thinking the 10w60 is too thick. As summer approaches I tend to burn oil, so as I do I'm thinking I will add 10w60 as weather gets hotter. To start I was going to do 6qt of 10w60 with 3qt of the thinner stuff. Any thoughts? I have read and read and read on this topic both here and on the m3 forum and so many running M1 0w40 have had great blackstone reports and are claiming better power because engine isn't working as hard with the thinner oil. I would love input from anyone on this. I know what BMW says and what the manual says but a guy in AZ probably wouldn't use the same oil as a guy running in near freezing temps right?



There's no need to mix. Either run TWS, or run something else. Don't play home-chemist. While API oils must mix with other API oils, the results may not be optimal. Since your car is burning oil, you might want to use the TWS to slow that down.

Then again, you could try the 0w40 and see what happens. Worst case, the consumption goes up and you just switch back to TWS. The 0w40 is certainly up to the task in the S65.

FWIW, my car on M1 0w40 barely touches 210 in the winter either. Remember that these are not air-cooled cars so there's very little oil temperature difference across the different seasons.
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#3301250 - 03/04/14 01:07 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
Leonardo629 Offline


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I'm running M1 0W40 with a can of LM MoS2....and I'm not burning oil. Either M3 is just not burning oil, or MoS2 is really helping in that regard.
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#3301830 - 03/04/14 10:50 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
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Registered: 03/01/14
Posts: 13
Loc: WA
What made you switch to M1? I see your in IL. and with your winter I'm sure the M1 has been more than necessary. I have always burned oil since I purchased the car with 29k miles. I burn like 2 qts between changes. I'm not sure if it's my driving habits during warm up or if it's how the car was driven during break in. Although I'm really starting to be more aware of what I'm doing before my temp is over 200.
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#3301868 - 03/04/14 11:51 PM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: Leonardo629]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
I'm running M1 0W40 with a can of LM MoS2....and I'm not burning oil. Either M3 is just not burning oil, or MoS2 is really helping in that regard.



Mos2 is great stuff man.
Try ceratec. Its like mos2 but uses ceramic nano particles or something. It last for 30000 miles between treatments too however I'm using it every second oil change. I've got a stash.
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#3301886 - 03/05/14 12:23 AM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: brian_fantana]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13040
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: brian_fantana
What made you switch to M1? I see your in IL. and with your winter I'm sure the M1 has been more than necessary. I have always burned oil since I purchased the car with 29k miles. I burn like 2 qts between changes. I'm not sure if it's my driving habits during warm up or if it's how the car was driven during break in. Although I'm really starting to be more aware of what I'm doing before my temp is over 200.


Because why not? It's a great oil that's up to the challenge.

Burning 2 quarts between changes is above average. Mine burns zero.
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#3301898 - 03/05/14 12:53 AM Re: The confusion around BMW M oils continues [Re: dparm]
brian_fantana Offline


Registered: 03/01/14
Posts: 13
Loc: WA
Just realized who I was talking to.... Your on every oil post on the m3 forum. Given my situation what would you do if you were in my shoes. Planning to have a blackstone report done with this oil change to see how I'm doing, but I really don't beat my ride. I'm on the freeway the majority of the time with the cruise set. I would think the oil burning occurs pre operating temp no?
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