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#3254728 - 01/21/14 07:19 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
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Thing is, how do you assign culpability? Consider a couple dozen engineers who made weapons deadlier. They could be considered the "officers" of the company. After their assignments they could be scattered all over the world. Maybe even making medical devices etc for the good of mankind, for the same "keritsu" umbrella conglomerate.

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#3254738 - 01/21/14 07:30 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
chestand Offline


Registered: 09/20/11
Posts: 169
Loc: Kansas City
Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
As the title states... I'd like to get some thoughts of Mazda and Subaru. Both of these companies participated in WWIII; however Subaru was formally Nakajima Aircraft which made aircraft for WWII. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Something makes me what to think Mitsubishi was part of WWII. I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone. Are these the only current Japanese companies that were involved in WWII?


Ford made B-24 bombers, Chrysler made all kinds of armament engines, etc. It was an all out effort on our (U.S.) part as well. Every domestic company was pressed into service.

A couple of things I don't understand about the post: WWIII hasn't happened AFAIK and to my knowledge, Mazda never made a rotary powered scooter. Fact checking appears to be a lost art anymore.

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#3254743 - 01/21/14 07:35 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Spazdog Offline


Registered: 09/06/10
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I'm glad someone else brought up Ford.
Henry Ford and Adolph Hitler certainly had a sort of mutual appreciation society.

You'd be hard pressed to find any auto company today that didn't have some involvement in WWII

Even nice guy Soichiro Honda made airplane propellers during WWII. At one point Vespa was mounting a 75mm Recoiless gun on motorscooters (although I do not know if that was actually used in WWII)

You might be able to cite some obscure Swiss manufacturer (defunct...but I'm sure their cars ran like, well, a Swiss Watch wink )
But by being neutral, Switzerland played a role in WWII as well.

maybe VEB Sachsenring. It didn't come along until after the war. Probably the best anybody could do with the limited resources of Soviet occupied DDR. But then you are buying a communist East German Car
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#3254763 - 01/21/14 07:58 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
shDK Offline


Registered: 04/03/13
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In Wich way, does The fact that a Company manufactorer weapons for it,s country,s war efford. In Wich way does that place them on what you call the dark side ?

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#3254776 - 01/21/14 08:06 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
zzyzzx Offline


Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 3887
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When I clicked on the thread title, I was expecting this thread to be about how they still make interference engine, or Mazda'a lack of manufacturing in the US.

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#3254787 - 01/21/14 08:21 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Spazdog Offline


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Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
... I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone.


Fuji (Subaru) started out with rotary valve two cycle scooters. The Fuji Rabbit.

The Fuji was a copy of the Powell streamliner that had been used by WWII US Airborne units.
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#3254815 - 01/21/14 08:53 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I don't hold anything against the Japanese or Germand at this point, but I try to buy from US companies when I can if there is a choice. I would rather see an American with a good job. We have good quality products made right here in the USA.
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#3254819 - 01/21/14 08:56 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
hattaresguy Offline


Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 7180
Loc: CT
Pretty much every big company on all sides produced war material, this isn't really news.

Mitsubishi produced the A6M AKA the Zero or Zeke.

Interesting fact the Bosch fuel injection that Mercedes used after the war was very closly related to the fuel injection they developed for the ME109. Also when Mercedes put the M120 V12 into production in 1990 it was the first V12 they had made since stopping production of aircraft engines in 1945.


Edited by hattaresguy (01/21/14 09:03 AM)

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#3254820 - 01/21/14 08:56 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: dlundblad]
Hollow Offline


Registered: 02/29/08
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I'm not sure why such a question has to be asked here... when there's a internet full of information that is available on the topic.

We don't need to look elsewhere. Henry Ford was a tyrant in his own ways, and didn't see anything wrong with it.


So is our current "president" and he doesn't seem to see anything wrong with it either.


...Seriously? Does every thread on this forum have to turn into an Obama bash at some point?

Also, putting president is quotes is amazingly insulting.

This reminds me why I barely check this place anymore outside of a few specific areas. Too much political "commentary".

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#3254825 - 01/21/14 09:00 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Boomer]
hattaresguy Offline


Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 7180
Loc: CT
Originally Posted By: Boomer
No different than Mercedes (Daimler Benz), BMW and VW. All made war vehicles for the Hitler regime. Germany, however, has the very dark side of companies that collaborated in the Holocaust. They dealt in human hair, gold from dental fillings, etc and they are still around today.

Google I. G. Farben and see what they were involved in.


That's not just the purvey of the Germans, the Japanese used slave labor and if you want to talk about genocide the Chinese could fill you in on that.

Google Rape of Nanking and Unit 731.


Edited by hattaresguy (01/21/14 09:00 AM)

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#3254828 - 01/21/14 09:03 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Y_K Offline


Registered: 05/29/09
Posts: 1877
Loc: WA (USA)
I thought it about Subaru still blowing head gaskets after all those years of denial. And Mazda's AT competing with Honda's on who dies first. That's a dark side..

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#3254836 - 01/21/14 09:07 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Vikas Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
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Are we so stupid as to not see a troll when he announces himself in 48 point font and bold letters?

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#3254839 - 01/21/14 09:12 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
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And the point and purpose of the question?
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#3254848 - 01/21/14 09:20 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
Zaedock Offline


Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 3919
Loc: Massachusetts
Jeebus, thought this was a thread about Subi and Mazda issues.
Recently checked out the Mazda 6. It's a nice car!

You can't hold a company accountable for what happened during the war. The first country the Nazi's took over was Germany!

Vikas has it right - nothing but a troll post.
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#3254900 - 01/21/14 10:05 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Cadillac made tanks. BMW made airplane engines. Saab made fighter jets.

What's the point of this thread?
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