Gumout Multi-System Tune-Up Q&A

Click here to participate in the Gumout Multi-System Tune-Up Q&A Q&A

Recent Topics
Fram oil filter gaskets
by volk06
Yesterday at 10:48 PM
Thoughts on Zic oils?
by dnsio
Yesterday at 10:11 PM
Recommendations for a pair of old Camrys
by EscapeVelocity
Yesterday at 09:37 PM
Video on a Ecoboost 3.5 with 200,000 miles
by CT8
Yesterday at 09:16 PM
2007 Ford Fusion 200,000K evaluation
by tig1
Yesterday at 08:47 PM
Williams F1 FW40
by Garak
Yesterday at 08:35 PM
Stereo-philes, Chime in please!
by daves66nova
Yesterday at 08:27 PM
Let pick my next oil change!!
by dan_erickson
Yesterday at 08:15 PM
What brand of tie rod would you choose?
by dan_erickson
Yesterday at 08:09 PM
KYB's quick struts for the 06-11 Civic finally out
by slacktide_bitog
Yesterday at 08:02 PM
2006 Mazda 3 any good ?
by sirgerman
Yesterday at 07:09 PM
Need recommendations for an oil filter
by MajorCavalry
Yesterday at 06:35 PM
Ford E150 Fuel Pump Replacement
by NibbanaBanana
Yesterday at 06:06 PM
Dodge Grand Caravan Power Windows Wont Work
by FirstNissan
Yesterday at 05:45 PM
New M1 filters at Walmart $10 and good for 20k
by slacktide_bitog
Yesterday at 05:40 PM
i drank the cool aid
by meborder
Yesterday at 05:39 PM
Walmart is clearing out Valvoline's ATF
by slacktide_bitog
Yesterday at 05:27 PM
non-Edge Castrol FINALLY has a clear window!!!!
by slacktide_bitog
Yesterday at 05:25 PM
Vibration/Shake = Brakes
by Phishin
Yesterday at 05:11 PM
Low Mileage 302 5.0-Need Input
by GAT72991
Yesterday at 04:07 PM
Newest Members
tremolo1965, schandler88, Bigdaddxxl, digdugmd, JasonPitt
60559 Registered Users
Who's Online
24 registered (czbrian, alarmguy, BlindBaby, Delta, dec219644, 3 invisible), 818 Guests and 19 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
60559 Members
66 Forums
261226 Topics
4309185 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#3241145 - 01/07/14 08:44 PM Troubling UOA
JMarshall Offline


Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 8
Loc: NW PA


Latest UOA for my 2.0 CR Jetta TDI. Thoughts?


Edited by JMarshall (01/07/14 08:45 PM)

Top
#3241152 - 01/07/14 08:53 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13031
Loc: Chicago, IL
There is a lot of wear going on there, and there has been for a while now. I don't think a 10k change interval is appropriate for your driving style or habits -- the oil is falling out of grade and you've got heavy fuel contamination that isn't being burned off. Are you doing a lot of city driving?
_________________________
2011 BMW M3 sedan ZCP

Top
#3241161 - 01/07/14 08:58 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
JMarshall Offline


Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 8
Loc: NW PA
I would say that my driving is 70% city, if you can call my area city, running Castrol LL03, no fuel additives, and B5 fuel. I am also a fairly heavy footed driver. Also, the high numbers on the last 2 UOAs is cause the car was brand new. They were run on samples at 10K miles and 20K miles

Top
#3241164 - 01/07/14 09:03 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 4460
Loc: In the Garage...
What is cheaper? An engine or a couple of extra oil changes a year. I would not go 10K.
_________________________
Mike
00 Trans Am WS6 5.7 LS1
02 Silverado 2500HD 6.0
14 Caprice PPV 6.0
15 Malibu LTZ Turbo
12 Passport TT

Top
#3241166 - 01/07/14 09:05 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 11231
Loc: Middlesex County CT
I don't know squat, but I'd do what B-S suggests; if a 5K interval produces 1/4 the wear...

I'd try to establish whether the wear is linear, or geometric etc.
_________________________
2004 Prius; 68K M1 0W-30
2003 Echo > 4.03x10^5 miles; 0W-40
2006 B2300;114K;ALM


Was driving an ox cart; Now on the USS Enterprise

Top
#3241168 - 01/07/14 09:05 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 4686
Loc: Iowa
Your engine has only had 3 oil changes in 30K. Thats about 3-5 less OCIs than the average person. While your wear is high its due to the long OCIs and the engine breaking in. If you want to see if you can get lower wear, do a few short OCIs and then sample. That oil looks WEAK as well. What oil is specified for this engine? It looks like it needs to move up to M1 0w40 if that is an approved oil. I'm assuming this is a diesel engine?
_________________________
2011 F-150 Ecoboost
2012 Focus S
2001 Taurus

Top
#3241172 - 01/07/14 09:05 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
Posts: 6961
Loc: North Carolina
Did coolant somehow get in the oil? The K+ is lower but was really high initially.
_________________________
13 elantra 53k 5w30 ultra
03 chevy avalanche70k m1 0w30
02 saturnsc1 66k 0w40 castrol
01 saturnsc1 185k rebuilt
93 ciera 79k 5w30 mc5k

Top
#3241173 - 01/07/14 09:06 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
ram_man Offline


Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 2809
Loc: southern mo
3,000 mile oci never hurt anyone.
_________________________
2015 dodge dart se rallye package
1995 Dodge ram 1500 5.9l
2003 chrysler pt cruiser



Top
#3241180 - 01/07/14 09:12 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 11231
Loc: Middlesex County CT
Quote:

Did coolant somehow get in the oil? The K+ is lower but was really high initially.


Saw that but the glycol test is 0. Wonder if that is a valid test for VW coolant.
_________________________
2004 Prius; 68K M1 0W-30
2003 Echo > 4.03x10^5 miles; 0W-40
2006 B2300;114K;ALM


Was driving an ox cart; Now on the USS Enterprise

Top
#3241183 - 01/07/14 09:13 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: ls1mike]
JMarshall Offline


Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 8
Loc: NW PA
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
What is cheaper? An engine or a couple of extra oil changes a year. I would not go 10K.


Definitely the oil. If I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb though, I want to trade it in before [censored] hits the fan.

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
I don't know squat, but I'd do what B-S suggests; if a 5K interval produces 1/4 the wear...

I'd try to establish whether the wear is linear, or geometric etc.


Will do a couple shorter OCIs and see what it does.

Originally Posted By: volk06
Your engine has only had 3 oil changes in 30K. Thats about 3-5 less OCIs than the average person. While your wear is high its due to the long OCIs and the engine breaking in. If you want to see if you can get lower wear, do a few short OCIs and then sample. That oil looks WEAK as well. What oil is specified for this engine? It looks like it needs to move up to M1 0w40 if that is an approved oil. I'm assuming this is a diesel engine?


This is a 2011 VW Jetta TDI. I am running both the 10K mile oil changes specified by VW, as well as the Castrol SLX Pro LLO3 full synthetic 5W-30 that is both specified and factory.

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Did coolant somehow get in the oil? The K+ is lower but was really high initially.


I have had no coolant loss or leakage.

Originally Posted By: ram_man
3,000 mile oci never hurt anyone.


Actually, multiple UOAs have found that shorter intervals can actually increase wear in these VW TDIs

Top
#3241189 - 01/07/14 09:20 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 4460
Loc: In the Garage...
Don't believe anything VW says, I am not an engineer, but UOA results are tangible...Now having said that I had an 02 TDI, totally different animal, but I did their recommended OCIs and the results were poor. I shortened it up to 4500-5000 miles and wouldn't you know it never had a bad UOA again.
_________________________
Mike
00 Trans Am WS6 5.7 LS1
02 Silverado 2500HD 6.0
14 Caprice PPV 6.0
15 Malibu LTZ Turbo
12 Passport TT

Top
#3241193 - 01/07/14 09:23 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 4925
Loc: FL, USA
10K is just too long, go short this time and see where its at.
_________________________
2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
45,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
24,xxx miles
Castrol Edge 0w40 / OEM filter

Top
#3241195 - 01/07/14 09:27 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 11263
Loc: NE,Ohio
is the one of the ones that eat the camshafts?
I'd probably trade it asap.

maybe a new VW if you prefer those.


Edited by Rand (01/07/14 09:28 PM)
_________________________
2017 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk V6

Top
#3241196 - 01/07/14 09:28 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: ls1mike]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 3004
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Don't believe anything VW says


Bingo -- what's great is seeing guys running non-507.00 products (GASP!!) and returning excellent UOA results.

"After replacing the worn cam at 53k miles, the car (PD DSG Jetta) had TDT for the first interval, and then has had T6 for the rest. No wear on the new cam after 80k miles."

_________________________
As thin as possible; as thick as necessary

Top
#3241198 - 01/07/14 09:29 PM Re: Troubling UOA [Re: JMarshall]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 26774
Loc: NY
10K OCI is too long, forget the owners manual, cut the interval in half and see how thing pan out. Just out of curiosity do you have an OLM? If so how long before it triggers an OCI?
_________________________
God Bless Our Troops


Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >