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#3219188 - 12/17/13 06:29 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: The_Eric]
NHHEMI Offline


Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 6491
Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

and if he made a mistake in putting out the fire (i.e. grabbing a bucket that looks like water and throw onto the fire but it turns out to be a fuel of some type) he would have been made a lawsuit target.


Really? Accidentally grab a BUCKET of flammable liquid? I've seen some crazy worry warts, but this takes the cake. You sir would make a fine addition to any corporate legal team. Because who knows where people store their flammable liquids... Especially in department stores. The man used a fire extinguisher. Why should this even be considered for the "What if's" category?


Yeah, I had to take a double look at that myself. What a ridiculous concept. Who the heck stores buckets of flammable liquid in a department store where someone may grab them thinking it is water to put a fire out? OY! duh

I mean come on this isn't a 3 Stooges movie. The guy grabbed a fire extinguisher like any normal person would do( even a dumb one ). Oh, we can't have an employee trying to help put a fire out because he/she might grab a 5 gallon bucket of keresone to throw on the fire.

Jesus what has this site come to. crackmeup


Edited by NHHEMI (12/17/13 06:29 AM)
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#3219194 - 12/17/13 06:39 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Loc: USA
I could see saving a burning car with baby in it or passed out person.

I personally would not bother with this watching a smoking car in our work parking lot turning into an inferno after the owner opening the hood.

Fired for this lame. Scolded and written up for not following work policy, for sure. If you don't like policy work elsewhere.
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#3219219 - 12/17/13 07:21 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 08/18/09
Posts: 2861
Loc: Ohio
Wonder what the unions position is on that since Meijer is unionized? It would appear that they will drop virtually anything that will cost them money or bad publicity. They dropped their "Pain Compliance" program after it cost them 13M$.
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#3219328 - 12/17/13 08:50 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: rjundi]
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
I could see saving a burning car with baby in it or passed out person.

I personally would not bother with this watching a smoking car in our work parking lot turning into an inferno after the owner opening the hood.

Makes sense.

I can totally imagine this scenario playing out differently if the employee had actually saved a life.
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#3219412 - 12/17/13 09:57 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: daves87rs]
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Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 2286
Loc: ohio
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Definitely will make me think twice before the next trip to Meijer.


+1

Don't think that this is something exclusive to Meijer. Every major corp has similar policies, and would probably do the same.
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#3219441 - 12/17/13 10:28 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Loc: MI
To me, it seems that having the store safety policy in place should be all the protection that the business needs. IF the employee chooses to ignore the policy, then that is his choice and it "should" let the business off the hook.

Since nothing bad happened here, the business should just reprimand him. But, I suppose this would set a precedence also.

What a catch 22 situation we have. I stopped to help a person in a turned over car a few months ago, all the time thinking "what should I do if the car catches fire......what shouldn't I do to make myself liable for anything".

I will always choose what is "right" for now, in spite of having dealt with the judicial three ring circus once in my life.

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#3219509 - 12/17/13 11:13 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 03/03/05
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Loc: ohio
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
What a catch 22 situation we have. I stopped to help a person in a turned over car a few months ago, all the time thinking "what should I do if the car catches fire......what shouldn't I do to make myself liable for anything".

I will always choose what is "right" for now, in spite of having dealt with the judicial three ring circus once in my life.

The difference is you're not a multi-billion corporation. You're protected by good Samaritan laws, but the big business has only it's polices to protect it.
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#3221103 - 12/18/13 09:42 PM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: whip]
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Registered: 03/02/12
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I and another poster mentioned that we both would clock out and do the good deed on our own time. Does anyone know what a company's typical reaction would be to this way of handling the situation?

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#3221116 - 12/18/13 09:54 PM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 02/24/13
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
I've not much to say about this story and stories like it, other than "this is why we can't have nice things"
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#3221131 - 12/18/13 10:07 PM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: antiqueshell]
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Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I and another poster mentioned that we both would clock out and do the good deed on our own time. Does anyone know what a company's typical reaction would be to this way of handling the situation?


That was me. They'd probably fire us for not asking for permission to clock out, unless by some Miracle the event went down when it was time for us to clock out. It's a sad world we live in.
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#3221265 - 12/19/13 06:22 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 1277
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Since nothing bad happened here, the business should just reprimand him. But, I suppose this would set a precedence also.


As noted in the article, this wasn't the guy's first policy violation for this type of situation. He had previously attempted to chase down a shoplifter.

Meijer reprimanded him then and he continued employment with the company.

Good or bad, we all know why large stores have such policies. Meijer gave the guy a warning, which is more than most would do. How many chances does somebody get and how long does a store keep around an employee who doesn't listen?

As bad as lawsuits are people who knowingly do stupid things, things that will get them fired, and when they do get fired, run to the media for sympathy. I guess it's cheaper to attempt to shame a company into rehiring you through the press than it is to actually hire a lawyer.

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#3221328 - 12/19/13 07:36 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: MrHorspwer]
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Registered: 07/06/07
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Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Since nothing bad happened here, the business should just reprimand him. But, I suppose this would set a precedence also.


As noted in the article, this wasn't the guy's first policy violation for this type of situation. He had previously attempted to chase down a shoplifter.

Meijer reprimanded him then and he continued employment with the company.

Good or bad, we all know why large stores have such policies. Meijer gave the guy a warning, which is more than most would do. How many chances does somebody get and how long does a store keep around an employee who doesn't listen?

As bad as lawsuits are people who knowingly do stupid things, things that will get them fired, and when they do get fired, run to the media for sympathy. I guess it's cheaper to attempt to shame a company into rehiring you through the press than it is to actually hire a lawyer.


Putting out a car fire is stupid? Ok????
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#3221351 - 12/19/13 08:05 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: MrHorspwer]
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Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 7256
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Since nothing bad happened here, the business should just reprimand him. But, I suppose this would set a precedence also.


As noted in the article, this wasn't the guy's first policy violation for this type of situation. He had previously attempted to chase down a shoplifter.



Locally we have a billion dollar inexpensive supermarket chain owned privately by very greek family. They are actually proud of their employees who tackle shoplifters at a certain location. It is constantly in the newspaper.

The owners are a riot. I believe they are the only billion dollar company without a corporate webpage!
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#3221416 - 12/19/13 09:06 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 12/19/12
Posts: 194
Loc: Carolinas
Please be assured that this was not a random decision... We have well-established safety procedures for emergency situations and we train all team members on those procedures. These procedures help ensure the safety of everyone both customers and team members, and our team members know there are consequences when they don't follow them.


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#3221481 - 12/19/13 10:07 AM Re: Store Greeter Puts Out Car Fire , Gets Fired [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 2123
Loc: Michigan
what the, I mean come on, I know a few top tier mgrs at Meijer, I have to write corp and tell them how ridiculous their policies are.
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