Recent Topics
Filter - 1991 Caprice 5.0l
by WyrTwister
03/01/17 11:28 AM
Dead Snakes
by AirgunSavant
03/01/17 10:23 AM
2015 Mazda CX5
by derweed
03/01/17 10:14 AM
Dunlop Winter Maxx-02
by SubLGT
03/01/17 10:05 AM
The Fram Pro's
by AirgunSavant
03/01/17 09:34 AM
ACDelco 10-9395 Dexron VI Automatic Transmission F
by WyrTwister
03/01/17 09:32 AM
Monitor shows (disks 100%)" Win 7
by daves66nova
03/01/17 09:31 AM
Modified BMW 335i, N55 oil choice
by HolyOilSeeker
03/01/17 09:18 AM
Any personal experience with 2011 Acrua RDX Turbo
by Vikas
03/01/17 09:11 AM
Timing belt question
by supton
03/01/17 09:00 AM
Mobile Base for Stationay Power Tools
by ET16
03/01/17 07:19 AM
$12.46 a quart
by bbhero
03/01/17 05:49 AM
Cooper filters sale autobarn (Australia)
by KL31
03/01/17 02:38 AM
VWB 5W20 mixing advice in my situation
by zorobabel
03/01/17 01:11 AM
Free Castrol EDGE (If you go to the Movies)
by Bbonez
03/01/17 12:29 AM
Mobil 1 Rebates - Spring 2017 ?
by BobbyC777
02/28/17 11:06 PM
What is with cars with one bright headlight and
by horse123
02/28/17 10:53 PM
Bought some clearance Fram HM filters. Good to go?
by TinyVoices
02/28/17 10:30 PM
Castrol 15w40 diesel $9.88/1gal
by Vlad_the_Russian
02/28/17 09:41 PM
BC 0W30 CHEVY SILVERADO 4X4 5.3
by RedOakRanch
02/28/17 09:41 PM
Newest Members
Michael_D, tmcgill, AngieGM, 327, cjsiege
60675 Registered Users
Who's Online
71 registered (andrewp1998, Alex_V, AlaskaMike, Alfred_B, 2012AccentSE, 77GrandPrix, 4 invisible), 2147 Guests and 13 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
60675 Members
66 Forums
261723 Topics
4318496 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#3210971 - 12/09/13 06:51 AM JP-8 in a diesel
Groundhog Offline


Registered: 12/08/13
Posts: 4
Loc: Wadmalaw island SC
I have learned that JP-8 can be converted for use in a Diesel engine if certain esters are added. My question is what products contain these esters? Diethyl Azelate, Diethly adipate, or bis2 ethyl- hexyl sebacate. These esters lower the wear scar value below what ULS diesel's value is. There are Some other esters as well but these stuck out at me. Any ideas?

Top
#3210997 - 12/09/13 07:34 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 39383
Loc: New Jersey
IIRC they are part of the fuel additive package. JP-8 adds can be highly toxic.

Top
#3211210 - 12/09/13 12:31 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
SrDriver Offline


Registered: 12/09/06
Posts: 2766
Loc: Southeast Alabama
All I know is when the switch was made from JP-5 to JP-8 in aircraft engines problems were many.

Unless you have access to free JP-8 I can't see any benefit in trying to use it in any diesel engine unless the engine is multi-fuel rated then the is no need in adding anything in that application.

Some military multi-fuel engines come to mind.

Top
#3211500 - 12/09/13 05:04 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
Rat407 Offline


Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 1129
Loc: North Carolina
I ran JP-8 in my old 91 jetta diesel with no issues. Didn't run it much, just a tank full here and there so no long term effects where noted.

Top
#3211679 - 12/09/13 08:17 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: SrDriver]
Groundhog Offline


Registered: 12/08/13
Posts: 4
Loc: Wadmalaw island SC
I did pretty much get it free, had to haul it out . I've wondered about adding 2 stroke oil like Klotz or Castrol?

Top
#3212848 - 12/10/13 08:50 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 13174
Loc: OH
How much of this fuel did you snag?
What's wrong wih it, since normally nobody is looking to give away jet fuel?
It would probably be pretty safe to mix this with regular ULSD.
What kind of a diesel would you use it in?
I'd bet it would be just fine in an old mechanical injection engine and maybe not as great in a modern common rail one.
_________________________
12 Accord LX 61K HGMO 0W-20
09 Forester 67K PU 5W-30
02 Accord 144K GOil 5W-30
01 Focus ZX3 112K M1 5W-20
95 BMW 318iC 159K Delvac 15W-40

Top
#3214247 - 12/12/13 08:34 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 6306
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
I would run it in the old IDI diesels mixed with 50:1 two-stroke oil. The military 6.2 diesel injection pumps have hardened internal components to stand up to the "dry" fuel, I've heard of airline mechs running pumped out Jet-A with an extra fuel/water separator to remove the excess water.
_________________________
06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 15 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(CQ Blue)

Top
#3214719 - 12/12/13 05:05 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17785
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: Groundhog
I have learned that JP-8 can be converted for use in a Diesel engine if certain esters are added. My question is what products contain these esters? Diethyl Azelate, Diethly adipate, or bis2 ethyl- hexyl sebacate. These esters lower the wear scar value below what ULS diesel's value is. There are Some other esters as well but these stuck out at me. Any ideas?


Methyl soyate.
_________________________
Getting a good education is important. But getting a good cup of coffee is importanter. smile

Top
#3216160 - 12/14/13 03:08 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 35019
Loc: Oz
I'd use Rapeseed Ethyl Ester personally Mola...can make either in a coke bottle 'though.

Top
#3217601 - 12/15/13 05:26 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Shannow]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17785
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I'd use Rapeseed Ethyl Ester personally Mola...can make either in a coke bottle 'though.


Either Rapeseed Ethyl Ester or Methyl Soyate would be good additives. In fact, just about any veggy methyl or ethyl ester would work.

Up here in the northern hemishpere, soybean esters seem to dominate as an additive for the medium distillates.

FOr JP-8, I think about 15% by volume of a veggy ester would be sufficient.


Edited by MolaKule (12/15/13 05:26 PM)
_________________________
Getting a good education is important. But getting a good cup of coffee is importanter. smile

Top
#3218051 - 12/16/13 03:03 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 35019
Loc: Oz
Sorry Mola, was trying (unsuccessfully) to be humerous...

Interesting to see who's lobby groups get what through, as your biodiesel specs pretty much make soy oil the only primary contender...ours make conola the preferred feedstock. Use anything else, and there's something that needs modifying to get it right.

I made a quart in a bottle at work some many moons ago while presenting at a meeting on sustainability...simple stuff, but it made an impact.

Premium diesel usually has 2% RME in it around here.

Top
#3220974 - 12/18/13 07:27 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: fdcg27]
Groundhog Offline


Registered: 12/08/13
Posts: 4
Loc: Wadmalaw island SC
Well about 1k gals. It was used at an engine plant and was considered waste. So being on a farm and not highway use I just had to haul it away. Now I'm all over the road with what to add.
As far as engines I've got everything from a single cyl diesel 8000 hrs pump to an 7430 John Deere.
JD is CR but my others are not
Maybe a dumb question but isn't rapeseed oil same as canola?

Top
#3221016 - 12/18/13 08:17 PM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 35019
Loc: Oz
Sort of...Conola is a modified rapeseed, and is typically the "R" in Australian biodiesel.

Top
#3224343 - 12/22/13 07:35 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 13174
Loc: OH
A thousand gallons for the cost of hauling it off?
Great score!
It might be best not to use it in the CR Deere, but I'd bet that the mechanical IDI engines wouldn't much care.
To Mola and Shannow, what would be a good commercial source for a methyl or ethyl ester to blend with this fuel?
Canola or soybean oil off the grocer's shelf?
_________________________
12 Accord LX 61K HGMO 0W-20
09 Forester 67K PU 5W-30
02 Accord 144K GOil 5W-30
01 Focus ZX3 112K M1 5W-20
95 BMW 318iC 159K Delvac 15W-40

Top
#3224463 - 12/22/13 09:16 AM Re: JP-8 in a diesel [Re: Groundhog]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 35019
Loc: Oz
Anywhere that sells 100% biodiesel...as long as it's pure and clean.

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >