Recent Topics
20w-50 and straight 50
by CCI
11/20/17 09:12 AM
Lasik eye surgery, before & after results?
by Mr Nice
11/20/17 09:11 AM
Suggestions for 2018 TT RS?
by ormandj
11/20/17 07:55 AM
How do you prepare your turkey?
by ZZman
11/20/17 07:30 AM
US Constitution / Bill of Rights Question ...
by LoneRanger
11/20/17 06:19 AM
Charles Manson Dead at 83
by skyactiv
11/20/17 06:05 AM
What would happen if I used 2T oil instead of 0W20
by berniedd
11/20/17 05:56 AM
Hahei Beach.
by Silk
11/20/17 04:05 AM
New Idemitsu Products
by The Critic
11/20/17 02:33 AM
tom and jerry orchestra
by jakewells
11/20/17 01:47 AM
BMW S54 Rod Bearing Oil Pressures
by SlipperySimon
11/20/17 12:36 AM
New year's in new York
by ram_man
11/19/17 11:20 PM
Color of oil
by davizzel
11/19/17 11:11 PM
Wet dry vacuum recommendations
by 97prizm
11/19/17 10:43 PM
What the difference between Mobil 1 75W-90 and...
by JoeJ
11/19/17 10:19 PM
Cornering lights installed
by Colt45ws
11/19/17 09:55 PM
Goodyear Wrangler A/TS - Silverado
by CapitalTruck
11/19/17 09:50 PM
peak 10w30
by jakewells
11/19/17 09:28 PM
Chipped brake pad still good?
by Run
11/19/17 09:24 PM
faulty fuel filter
by wuntun
11/19/17 09:21 PM
Newest Members
norton13, Chevrolet, nik3314, Crowder1980, garyvze5Nn
63449 Registered Users
Who's Online
85 registered (2015_PSD, 2004tdigls, Alfred_B, AEHaas, 2dogs, 3800Series, 8 invisible), 1868 Guests and 15 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
63449 Members
66 Forums
274059 Topics
4554918 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#3202662 - 12/01/13 07:59 AM delo 400 for race use?
ericsiewkk Offline


Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 8
Loc: Malaysia
greeting guys, this is my first post. been lurking in forums for sometimes.

i have a new cam ground for a honda D16 1.6L motor with aggressive ramp rate. the cam company call for rotella T but it is not sold in the country. only available is shell rimula 3x which i am not sure if it is the same.

however i can get delo 400 15w-40 and delo silver 20w-50 for decent price. does this oil give enough high rpm protection to the main/rod bearings?

delo silver 20w-50 vs the delo 400 which is better? i live in tropical country so 20w is not a concern here.

Top
#3202696 - 12/01/13 09:02 AM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
GutsyGecko Offline


Registered: 08/16/12
Posts: 426
Loc: Youngstown, OH
Is it possible to get synthetic 5w-40 diesel anything? Or even valvoline vr1 racing oil? The valvoline is a 20w-50 that would suit your needs.

Top
#3202857 - 12/01/13 12:25 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
cronk Offline


Registered: 01/06/09
Posts: 1141
Loc: Watertown, New York
I don't know if its the same oil in your country, but here it is an excellent oil.
Over 1400 ppm zinc, about the highest I have seen in anything but race oil.
Check out this
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/HDEO%20SUMMARY.html
_________________________
1998 GMC C1500
2003 Chevy Cavalier
2011 Nissan Quest
1986 Pontiac Trans Am
1940 Ford 9N Tractor

Top
#3202881 - 12/01/13 12:50 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 18596
Loc: Sunny Florida
I have been around a spell and no one who ran big trucks can say bad stuff about Delo! That is some fine oil...
_________________________
"In a democracy, dissent is an act of faith."
J. William Fulbright
Best ET-12.79 @ 111 mph
4340 pounds, Street tires
Just like we go to Publix

Top
#3203375 - 12/01/13 09:29 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
ericsiewkk Offline


Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 8
Loc: Malaysia
i understand it offer high film strength from the zddp. since it is a diesel oil i am a bit worried about the high rpm protection to the main and rod bearings. this engine will be running on 28-30psi rev to 9krpm making close to 450whp so the bottom end see lots of stress.

Top
#3203379 - 12/01/13 09:37 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
ericsiewkk Offline


Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 8
Loc: Malaysia
motor used to run on the black colored liqui moly MoS2 15w-40 before the aggressive cam install.

rod/main bearings look great after 2 years of race and street use.

Top
#3203416 - 12/01/13 10:05 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: ericsiewkk
motor used to run on the black colored liqui moly MoS2 15w-40 before the aggressive cam install.

rod/main bearings look great after 2 years of race and street use.


I think the liqui-moly oil you are referring to was a 10w-40.
As far as present choice is concerned and your concern about rpm lets consider that a 0w-40,a 5w-40,a 10w-40 and a 15w-40 are all 40 grades when the oil is at operating temp.
So considering that the last oil used was a 40 grade when hot,and there was a recommendation of using rotella t 15w-40 is a 40 grade when hot you should be fine using any oil with the second value on the bottle being 40.
I suspect the 40 grade recommendation is due to oil temps getting pretty high when spinning at 9000rpm however I'd look at a 30 grade hdeo.
Less parasitic loss and you may get that little bit more "oomph" up top if the oil doesn't require as much power to pump.
And today's 30 grade hdeo's are proving to be very capable and not showing any elevation in wear.
I'd try a 30 grade hdeo personality.
_________________________
2006 Charger RT
Miles x 2 per oil filter

Top
#3203483 - 12/01/13 11:49 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
rrounds Offline


Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 891
Loc: SACRAMENTO, CA
I'll take your 9000 rpm and raise it to 15500 rpm in my Yamaha R6.
It(Delo 15/40) will do the rpm's just fine.

ROD
_________________________
'06 S2000
'00 SSEi sold at 252k miles
'08 Ford F53 V10
'13 Jeep Sahara 2 door

Top
#3203496 - 12/02/13 12:13 AM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: rrounds]
ericsiewkk Offline


Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 8
Loc: Malaysia
thanks man! you give me the confident in the delo 400.

Top
#3204077 - 12/02/13 03:44 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
KenO Offline


Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 1637
Loc: Auburn, GA
Whats the deal with people all of a sudden saying the diesels oils don't work well in high revving engines lately? We run T6 in nearly all of the local tracked NA & turbo'd BMW's making in excess of 500 whp and I've NEVER seena n oil related failure on these engines.


It's starting to sound like AVSForums, where people just make stuff up to make themselves feel better, and to scare other people into thinking how they think.


Edited by KenO (12/02/13 03:46 PM)
_________________________
1995 Volvo 960 ShagginWagon
1995 BMW 328ti
1997 Chevy C2500 5.7l V8
2003 BMW 530i (deceased :()
1998 Mercedes E300 Turbogreasel


Top
#3204370 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
vssjim Offline


Registered: 10/05/11
Posts: 400
Loc: McLean, Va.
We have used Delo 400 15-40 in our sprint car engines for many years, both dry and wet sump applications.Flat tappet cams and rollers and no trouble at all.

Top
#3204381 - 12/02/13 08:55 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: vssjim]
KenO Offline


Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 1637
Loc: Auburn, GA
Originally Posted By: vssjim
We have used Delo 400 15-40 in our sprint car engines for many years, both dry and wet sump applications.Flat tappet cams and rollers and no trouble at all.



Joe Gibbs people told an automotive engineer friend of mine at the PRI show that before they developed their oils - they broke everything in on Rotella dino. IDK where this 'HDEO is not for performance cars' myth came about all of a sudden, but it needs to disappear.
_________________________
1995 Volvo 960 ShagginWagon
1995 BMW 328ti
1997 Chevy C2500 5.7l V8
2003 BMW 530i (deceased :()
1998 Mercedes E300 Turbogreasel


Top
#3204474 - 12/02/13 10:28 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: KenO]
OVERKILL Online   content


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 34506
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: KenO
Originally Posted By: vssjim
We have used Delo 400 15-40 in our sprint car engines for many years, both dry and wet sump applications.Flat tappet cams and rollers and no trouble at all.



Joe Gibbs people told an automotive engineer friend of mine at the PRI show that before they developed their oils - they broke everything in on Rotella dino. IDK where this 'HDEO is not for performance cars' myth came about all of a sudden, but it needs to disappear.


Agreed. Engine builder I know used to use Kendall 15w-40 in his circle and oval track SBC builds and it held up very well. It was what he recommended the guys run in them and it worked. HDEO's are generally extremely robust and handle that kind of abuse very well. thumbsup
_________________________
2016 Durango Limited
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT

Top
#3204487 - 12/02/13 10:41 PM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: KenO]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 22535
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: KenO
IDK where this 'HDEO is not for performance cars' myth came about all of a sudden, but it needs to disappear.

I know, it is kind of silly. For guys wanting higher ZDDP, 10w-40 or 20w-50 is no guarantee. So, you have boutiques, VR-1, or HDEOs. And there's nothing wrong with HDEOs. Heck, Mobil specifically recommends Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 for "high performance gasoline applications."
_________________________
Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 coupe - Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40, Wix 57356
1984 F-150 4.9L six - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515

Top
#3204599 - 12/03/13 06:00 AM Re: delo 400 for race use? [Re: ericsiewkk]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 6879
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
If HDEO can stand up to the 22.5-1 compression ratio of my IDIs, it can handle hi-perf gas motors!
_________________________
06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 15 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >