Originally Posted By: kender
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Yes - engine is fine; so is lube. The Pb is likely a spike and will settle again.
I would advise against TBN/TAN testing if you have no intent to greatly extend your OCIs; it's just wasted money. But then again, so is PU for 7.5k miles. Or even doing a UOA when you have no plan to use the data to any practical means.
The Great OZ has spoken!!! LOL!
He can't extend his OCI's if he wants to keep his warranty. Plus it's his money to "waste".
I'd rather change (waste to you) 4 quarts of oil before it's used up, than risk damaging my engine with ridiculously long OCI's based on a cheap UOA!!!!
For you to say he cannot extend his OCI within warranty is untrue; he most certainly can. But it shifts the burden of proof to him and away from the OEM should a problem arise. Make sure to note that I am being careful to delineate the difference between burden of proof versus legal responsibility. Venturing off the reservation does not automatically assume guilt, but it does shift who has to prove what. Extending one's OCI during warranty does not mean the OEM is relieved of all accountability. What it means is that those who don't follow OEM criteria must be able to prove that their actions were still viable, and the burden is upon them to show data relevant to the cause of failure regarding warranty provisions. Conceptually it would not be much different than using an unlicensed product. Most folks here don't understand warranty provisions and how they relate to the M/M ACT. Find the FTC website and do some solid research. And read up on warranty case law decisions. Then you'll be in a better place to understand how OCIs and warranty interact. This is why I don't advise extended OCIs during warranty; most folks don't have the data or the consistency of approach to be able to take on that prolonged, uphill battle. It's not that it cannot be done; it most certainly can. It just likely would be very difficult to call it "worth it". I speak from experience; I've filed and fought a "lemon law" case through the IN Atty General more than two decades ago. I've tried to keep up on the small changes in case decisions through the years but I'm sure I've missed a few here and there. But it is completely inaccurate to say he
"can't" do it; he most certainly can. He just likely is ill-prepared to do it.
And, he can waste money to be happy. I do it, too (mostly firearms, bourbon & cigars, etc). Life would be pretty boring if we had no pleasures to endulge in.
But I don't try to hide or rationalize my waste; I admit it for what it is. Emotional satisfaction is not "wrong", but that does cleanse it from being "waste".
If you'd rather waste oil, that's fine, as long as you can see it for what it is, and not try to justify it with poor reasoning and/or biased mythology.
OTOH - I'd rather make pragmatic decisions in most expenditures, so that I have funds available for life's endulgences. I'll save money with well-reasoned and informed OCIs, so that I can "waste" it on ammo and cigars. Still other folks will "save" money by not smoking or drinking, so they can "waste" money on lubricants. Perspective is a matter of where one stands.
Here's the underlying distinction: When I waste money on fun items or frivolity, I can admit it. I don't try to use rhetoric and hype to make it seem sensible, because it's not. There is nothing "wrong" with paying for PU and a super-duper filter and a UOA and TBN/TAN if you're going to run 7.5k miles in the OEM plan. But that does NOT means it's not wasteful. Do it because you want to; that's fine by any of us. But don't try to push it off as anything but a "want", because data shows there is no "need" for such efforts, nor any tangible reward.
Why is this important? Because not every member here has unlimited funds to throw at lubricants and filters. Some here are poor college students. Others are struggling single-parents. It is unfair and downright bogus to infer that folks "need" synthetics or premium filters, and UOAs with extra costs, for "normal" use.
It's OK to waste. It is not OK to infer waste is essential.
So to bring this full circle, go back and re-read what I said earlier. The engine is OK. The lube is OK. There is waste in PU for 7.5k miles. There is more waste in doing a UOA if OEM OCIs are your plan. There is yet more waste if you're going to double-down and pay $10 for TBN and another $10 for TAN, when you have ZERO intention of extending the OCI. Those are facts. Wanting to waste does not make it less of a waste. It may be pallatable, but it is not prudent.
Now if you'd kindly close the big green curtain behind you on your way out ... I have more myths to slay.
