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Who makes Amsoil oil filters? #315726 04/10/03 08:46 AM
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Who makes the Amsoil oil filters? I have heard that Baldwin makes the filter, but I don't know for sure. I have heard that Champion Labs makes the Mobil 1 and K&N oil filters. I have heard that there is a company (I can't remember the name) that makes the Baldwin, Hastings, and a oil filter for locomotives called the Clark. Are Baldwin and Hastings oil filters nearly identical, or are they different? Hastings oil filters used to be made by a company called Hastings that makes engine seals and I believe piston rings. But the Hastings oil filter division was sold to another company. I have heard that Baldwin and Hastings oil filters are high quality, but these filters are (at least in my area) remarkably hard to find. In comparision, you can find FRAM oil filters everywhere (I used to use FRAM but I don't anymore).

Re: Who makes Amsoil oil filters? #315727 04/09/03 09:02 PM
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Baldwin purchased Hastings years ago and kept the Hastings name due to the marketing and name recognition. So, Baldwin is the owner and Hastings also makes the Amsoil filters side by side in the same plant in Nebraska. Baldwin also markets its own brand of filters. Are they the same, only the people putting them together seem to know.

Hastings are realtively easy to find, many local outlets and on line as well.. I personally believe Amsoil and HAsting filters are one and the same with a different marketing logo printed on the canister. Balwin makes filters under many names and refuses to inform you which it feels are the higher quality brands as they do not wish to alienate any current customers they manufacture for.

Re: Who makes Amsoil oil filters? #315728 04/09/03 10:25 PM
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A response from Amsoil was something like this: Amsoil manufactures their own filters right in their filter plant, and also uses some outside vendors. IF Baldwin happens to make a filter for Amsoil, it is per Amsoil's specs, and NOT a Baldwin filter. (Just 2-3 times the price IMO)

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Yes, Baldwin makes Amsoil's oil filters. Some or all may be identical to Baldwin models. There's some uncertainty if the media is the same. Amsoil says not but that's our only source of information as yet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rebel Rouser:
A response from Amsoil was something like this: Amsoil manufactures their own filters right in their filter plant, and also uses some outside vendors. (Just 2-3 times the price IMO)

The line about their own plant refers to air filters only. All oil filters are outisde vendor-Hastings

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Actually, Amsoil makes all their by-pass filter elements in their own plant up in Superior, WI. There are simply too many full flow filter designs for them to get into that business. So they developed the specs they wanted for these and have them made by Hastings. Even ExxonMobil doesn't bother making their own oil filters and they are a huge company.

TS

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The question that received that response from Amsoil I posted above was indeed specific to oil filters only. That was a discussion from an automotive message board in regard to oil filters. The question that had been sent to Amsoil was whether Baldwin made their SDF oil filters. It illustrates how vague and illusive Amsoil's repsonses are to their marketeers.

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quote:
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So they developed the specs they wanted for these and have them made by Hastings.TS

You are assuming the specs are different then a Hastings filter. No one has ever been able to show that!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is Amsoil stating this. Has anyone actually cut open the Hastings and Amosil comparable filters (and or tested them in some manner), say the LF 386 and the SDF 36 or the LF 420 and the SDF20 and see if there is any difference in construction and media???????????????/

Re: Who makes Amsoil oil filters? #315734 04/10/03 03:21 AM
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My car takes the SDF-20, I have 2 or more and I also have 2 OEM filters, I am more than happy to donate one of each for any tests. (Who looks after that in Canada? Or should I mail them to Bob?)
I want the best filter, and want to know what others are merely very good for short durations or use of Auto-RX. The BITOG study of best filters will help me gain that info and that in part is why I donated the $50 to the group.
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Rob

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Thanks a lot for all of the information. I too have been trying to find the best motor oil, oil filters, etc., at the best prices, for my car. I have used the Amsoil oil filter and I respect it. According to Amsoil in some of their literature, the top three oil filters are the Amsoil, Mobil 1, and Hard-driver (which I believe is now owned by some company named Donaldson). Amsoil calls these the top tier oil filters. Amsoil also sells the Hastings oil filter which Amsoil says is the best of what they call the main tier of oil filters. They rate the Wix about the same as the Hastings. Surprisingly, for me at any rate, they rate the NAPA Gold pretty low, which is strange if that oil filter is basically a copy of the Wix (or the same filter). In fact, if I remember correctly, the NAPA Gold is rated below the FRAM. I have seen (and used) Amsoil, Mobil 1, K&N, Baldwin, Hastings, and Wix oil filters. There seems to be a similiar appearance for the Amsoil, Baldwin, and Hastings oil filters, but people would have to take them apart and examine them carefully to determine if they are the same. Somewhere in this collection of oil filters is the best oil filter at the best price. But which one is it?

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Amsoil only sells those Hastings brand filters for which they have not applications. If a SDF filter exists then they don't stock nor can you order that application in a Hastings.

My info from Amsoil (dealer specific) was that all the SDf filters were made by Hastings to Amsoil specs. Major difference being the Amsoil design media and quality of components. e.g. The best on the market, not the cheapest.

Amsoil manf.'s the bypass oil filters and the TS air filters in Superior, Wisconsin (not outside of US) in one of thier owned plants, the A.J. Amatuzio Filter Co.

[ April 11, 2003, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Mike ]

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Spector,

My understanding is that the benchmark for the new Amsoil SDF filters (they were redesigned several years back) was the Mobil 1 oil filter. The goal was to at least match it in flow rates, filtration efficiency and total dirt holding capacity.

I think they have done that, if you review Bobs tests for pressure drop, and the comparative ratings in the SAE J806 test.

Ted

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Spector,

My understanding is that the benchmark for the new Amsoil SDF filters (they were redesigned several years back) was the Mobil 1 oil filter. The goal was to at least match it in flow rates, filtration efficiency and total dirt holding capacity.

I think they have done that, if you review Bobs tests for pressure drop, and the comparative ratings in the SAE J806 test.

Ted

Well, in terms of flow they did a better job than the Mobil 1 per Bob's tests. I currently have one on going on 8 months and 10,000 miles which I hope to change this weekend. (intent is to show that changing the filter at 6 months is useless and will not affect analysis) I did have one on a year (only 2100 miles) which seemed to perform okay.? Not enough miles even though it was on over a year.

Again, my premise is that filters are pretty much useless in todays world. Will see.

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Amsoil full flow oil filters are made by Clarcor Corp. in their Baldwin/Hastings plant in Kearny, Nebraska. Clarcor also makes Facet, Purolator-Facet (not Purolator automotive), Air Guard, Air Technologies, Clark, Locker, and other brands of filters.

Amsoil claims that their filters have different media than Baldwin/Hastings filters, but do not offer positive evidence. Their diagrams of filtering efficiency are long on hype and short on specific test protocols and actual results. By the way, Baldwin and Hastings filters are identical except for the paint and numbers.

My beef with Amsoil is their short product line. They try to fit almost all engines with just a few filters. The bypass setting on the Amsoil filter they specify is half the pressure that Baldwin/Hastings specifies. I asked Amsoil the reason and got a really snotty answer, basically, just do as we say. That was my last Amsoil purchase.

So Smilin' Al owns the air and oil bypass filter company Amsoil buys from...he also owns Oil Analizers, Inc.

Ken

[ April 11, 2003, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]

Re: Who makes Amsoil oil filters? #315740 04/11/03 08:49 AM
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Ken2, if those Amsoil oil filters are identical to Baldwin-Hastings, then a person would be wise to buy the Baldwin or the Hastings, since they cost 5-6 dollars and the Amsoil is 10-11 dollars and more for shipping if you can't get it locally. The Baldwin may be a little different than the Hastings-I bought a Baldwin for my car and it was shorter than the Hastings. If it is in fact true that the Amsoil oil filter is at least the equal to the Mobil 1, and if the Hastings and Baldwin oil filters are identical to the Amsoil, than the Hastings and Baldwin oil filters would get my vote for the best oil filters on the market. Cheaper than the Amsoil and Mobil 1, equal to them, and inferior only to unusual and rare oil filters like the Donaldson. According to Amsoil, the Wix is apparently about equal to the Hastings, so the Wix would be a good alternate choice. People could buy Baldwin, Hastings, or Wix oil filters, and forget about the rest.

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