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Archoil products #3120146
09/10/13 02:57 AM
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Interested to see if anyone has any experience of these products, they are being sold by http://www.powerenhancer.co.uk/
In the UK I have put the AR9100 in my oil and as yet not noticed any difference, but I have used the AR6200 in the fuel and think there seems to be a little more torque and responsiveness to the throttle, but "think and feel" are not very scientific, if you people used it and all thought it was the bee's knee's then we could consider it a good product but as when I use the search button for Archoil nothing comes up I'm stuck, if I had been on here before I bought some it would be different but as I have bought some and can't tell much difference with the oil additive AR9100 I'm looking for reassurance that I haven't wasted my money.

Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3120156
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With oil additives you may not see any difference for 100,000 miles (or km). Which could be good. I just started to use the AR9100.So it's too soon for me to tell.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3122810
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They use Boron Nitride. I would suggest using the Fullerene like Tungsten Disulphide (WS2). Search this sub-forum for discussions.

You luck out by being in the UK. Millers Oils has the correct WS2 in additive products as well as extremely expensive oil that contains the material. They are not marketing them in the US. I wanted to buy some.

With this additive you should be able to see a difference rather quickly. Consider that the changes in oil temperature and mileage are fairly small and if you don't have measurements before, I am not sure just driving the car will allow you to "feel" the results. A major benefit of the material is it plates the engine parts and can seriously extend the lifetime of your affected engine parts.

Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3130260
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Originally Posted By: kimandsally
Interested to see if anyone has any experience of these products, they are being sold by http://www.powerenhancer.co.uk/
In the UK I have put the AR9100 in my oil and as yet not noticed any difference, but I have used the AR6200 in the fuel and think there seems to be a little more torque and responsiveness to the throttle, but "think and feel" are not very scientific, if you people used it and all thought it was the bee's knee's then we could consider it a good product but as when I use the search button for Archoil nothing comes up I'm stuck, if I had been on here before I bought some it would be different but as I have bought some and can't tell much difference with the oil additive AR9100 I'm looking for reassurance that I haven't wasted my money.


This is not a post I did, I have been in hospital and a child from a neighbour has been allowed to use my pc for his "homework" he has gone into my history and notes opened up accounts all over the place and has just about ruined my reputation.
The information he has taken is my passwords and then when I have used products and made notes in folders on my computer he has gone into them and added vile lies and posted around the web, kimandsally is a name I have used for 20 years it is dear to me and he has tainted my reputation, I was suspicious after a phone call I had yesterday I came home and looked at my notes then googled to see how Archoil had been doing I was gobsmacked to see this.
It is untrue in it's entireity I found the products to be useful and worked better then they said, I am a retired motorcycle tuner and car engineer workshop I enjoy testing products in my retirement.
Thank you for not taking the bait and slagging this product off because I genuinely find it to work and still use it to this day.

Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3130469
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In fact AR9100 is based on nanotechnology potassium borate on ester matrix - much better technology than just hBN or even nano hBN and it is water resistant.
They have AR9200 which is organic (not cheap synthetic one) 70nm nano WS2 PAO based oil additive but their top friction modifier is nanoceramic AR9300 (10 times lower friction than nano WS2) which I am personally shocked by now because it virtually stopped engine wear looking at used oil analysis (based on 2 gasoline NA engines so far after 3000km and 4500km tests -> 1-2ppm Fe increase only and ZERO Al/Cr/Pb increase).


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3252605
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I have not found a source/price for the Archoil AR9300 in the US yet. Found one source for the AR8300 grease at $70 for one 14 oz tube. Anyone found a USA source for AR30 motor oil additive?

Re: Archoil products [Re: wlyszkow] #3252652
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Originally Posted By: wlyszkow
In fact AR9100 is based on nanotechnology potassium borate on ester matrix - much better technology than just hBN or even nano hBN and it is water resistant.
They have AR9200 which is organic (not cheap synthetic one) 70nm nano WS2 PAO based oil additive but their top friction modifier is nanoceramic AR9300 (10 times lower friction than nano WS2) which I am personally shocked by now because it virtually stopped engine wear looking at used oil analysis (based on 2 gasoline NA engines so far after 3000km and 4500km tests -> 1-2ppm Fe increase only and ZERO Al/Cr/Pb increase).



So is the ceramic additive similar to cera-tec made by liqui-moly?


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3253196
01/19/14 04:25 PM
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Linking this to another thread I started - Archoil was featured on Leno's Garage.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/3251995/gonew/1/Nano_Lubrication_on_Jay_Leno's#UNREAD


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Re: Archoil products [Re: alternety] #3253209
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Originally Posted By: alternety
You luck out by being in the UK. Millers Oils has the correct WS2 in additive products as well as extremely expensive oil that contains the material. They are not marketing them in the US.


You are inferring that Millers' WS2 nano additive ONLY is not available here, correct??

I have had their Nano Drive motor oil in my LS1's sump for the last OCI, but I am taking for granted you knew it was available here, due to the conversations with 67King, and others. wink


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3254293
01/20/14 07:00 PM
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Thanks to this thread I have been doing some reading on Archoil products. Their claims are incredible. I remain very interested in learning more especially from our deep thinker, very knowledgeable BITOG posters, especially 67King. Looking forward to being schooled.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3261062
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Love my Archoil 9100! Works wonders on my 6.0 PS.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3265373
01/30/14 10:32 PM
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I am really glad I found a boron additive!!! it makes a really big difference!! red line did add a lot more boron to there new package...and I like the nano ester base that's in archoil ar9100

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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3265469
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I just learned of Archoil a couple weeks ago and Liqui Moly Ceratec a few weeks before. I did get a bottle of AR6200 fuel additive but just put it in two tractors and a dump truck and none will see much use for a while.

I got 11 hours at high idle Liqui Moly Ceratec in a 325 Polaris engine that was ran without oil when the past owner blew an oil line running down the road and beat out the rod bearing insert until it was very thin due to the rod bearing spinning in the connecting rod.

It would idle but knock and die if you gave it gas after his repair shop fixed the line and refilled with oil.

We pulled the rod and saw the crankshaft was chewed up and the connecting rod as well. Through the jug hole with emery cloth strips we cleaned the crankshaft the best we could and put it back together with a used connecting rod but new bearing inserts and piston rings.

We mixed the Ceratec with M1 10w-40 High Mileage knowing the rough crankshaft would be eating on the new rod bearings so it was mixed before we started the engine but did bring up oil pressure with the starter and spark plug removed.

After 11 hours it will make good power and rev up but we can clearly hear it knock when we hit the throttle hard.

I expect the Ceratec did help and could tell the stress to just idle decreased after the first hour of running. It took about three days to rack up the 11 hours of run time (it was in an open shop and was not ridden but did hold the brakes and get on it when in Low and Reverse and the power was impressive but it started knocking.

We hope to get at least the top end torn down Sat if weather and time permits so we can see if there is any visual or to touch ceramic coating of the moving parts. There were some marks on the piston skirt from being ran without motor oil but all parts other than the crank and rod measured to factory new specs. Well we did not check the rings but the top on did break on removal but I am sure it got very hot running without any oil.

This ATV was bought as a project bike to teach wrenching to the kids. We have a tight used lower end bought that is intact with crankshaft and connecting ready to be installed.

While it was for learning we also had picked up the Liqui Moly Ceratec (would have used Archoil 9300 if I had heard of it at the time) so we could test it since I was almost certain we would be tearing it down soon. Again I do not think with the rough crankshaft it would have idled for 11 hours and made power and some higher RPM's without the Ceratec but that is just my thought.

The tear down has been held up due to the coldest Jan that I can remember in about 40 years.

Re: Archoil products [Re: wlyszkow] #3277224
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You wouldn't happen to have a link of those two UOA's by any chance. I was reading on Archoil's website that AR9300 leaves a "NEW" surface coating five times stronger than the host metal! How on earth does that happen??? If correct that would be truly remarkable...


http://evergreen.cagehosting.com/index.c...ction-modifier/


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Re: Archoil products [Re: Clevy] #3277247
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Originally Posted By: Clevy



So is the ceramic additive similar to cera-tec made by liqui-moly?


Looks like it Clevy, though some of the ingredients are different and it's more expensive. Also they say you only have to add one gram per four liters of oil! I found this interesting video on youtube. In the video they claim to be able to create as close to a frictionless surface as possible! It'd be great to hear from anyone who has tried this product....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM5MIqoMriU


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3277363
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here is a response from archoil

Thomas. Thanks for the inquiry! We have several race teams that use our products. I can tell you about their experiences with the product and depending on what kind of info you are looking for I could supply you with more info. A NHRA Top Fuel Dragster team uses our pre-assembly lube and our friction modifiers. They also use a special package we blend for them in their diff and blower housing. Archoil took @ 4 degrees off the engine and the same rod and main bearings were used multiple times showing no wear.
iam now using the AR 9100

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Re: Archoil products [Re: dino33] #3277470
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Originally Posted By: dino33
You wouldn't happen to have a link of those two UOA's by any chance. I was reading on Archoil's website that AR9300 leaves a "NEW" surface coating five times stronger than the host metal! How on earth does that happen??? If correct that would be truly remarkable...


http://evergreen.cagehosting.com/index.c...ction-modifier/


Is the AR9300 available in the USA?


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Re: Archoil products [Re: demarpaint] #3277519
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It's not available from their own US website, though oddly enough, it is available in Europe. You could try the phone number in the video I linked from that fellow in Alaska or order it through that website in the UK that a previous poster linked. They say they ship world wide, but you'd have to imagine shipping would be expensive?? Here is the link:

http://www.powerenhancer.co.uk/product.p...iction-modifier

Last edited by dino33; 02/10/14 11:05 PM. Reason: bad link

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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3277533
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You guys really have to watch that video on AR9300. The part where they open up that monster industrial engine after over a thousand operating hours to find out that the pistons did not wear at all, in fact they claim they actually narrowed in diameter after using the additive! And five times the strength of the original host metal for the new surface? That's amazing if true. Sounds something like what Clevy was talking about when he had to grind off some of that Ceratec with a grinder when he opened up one of his engines....


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Re: Archoil products [Re: dino33] #3277571
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Originally Posted By: dino33
It's not available from their own US website, though oddly enough, it is available in Europe. You could try the phone number in the video I linked from that fellow in Alaska or order it through that website in the UK that a previous poster linked. They say they ship world wide, but you'd have to imagine shipping would be expensive?? Here is the link:

http://www.powerenhancer.co.uk/product.p...iction-modifier


Thanks. Reading their literature I don't see any advantage for a passenger car using the 9300. From what I gather the 9300 is more for HD industrial applications. Am I missing something? The 9300 would be cost prohibitive for me with the shipping from outside the USA. I really don't see the need reading through the literature. But then again maybe I missed something.

These nano additives are gaining popularity, and have peaked my interest.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: demarpaint] #3277624
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yep, just checked. 29 bucks shipped to North America....


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3277631
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This stuff sounds a lot like ceratec. With what I've seen with my own eyes with ceratec,and that engine that iirc jamesyarborough(forgive me if I've spelled it wrong or if I'm mistaken on the member) used created in that had a grooved cam and serious issues requiring a rebuild I'm not sure I'd buy anything other than ceratec.
It's absolutely amazing stuff. I've not got a stockpile of the stuff thanks to risktaker and it will go in every machine I own.
I'm interested in this archoil though. I hope someone posts their experiences once it's tried.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: Clevy] #3277716
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
This stuff sounds a lot like ceratec. With what I've seen with my own eyes with ceratec,and that engine that iirc jamesyarborough(forgive me if I've spelled it wrong or if I'm mistaken on the member) used created in that had a grooved cam and serious issues requiring a rebuild I'm not sure I'd buy anything other than ceratec.
It's absolutely amazing stuff. I've not got a stockpile of the stuff thanks to risktaker and it will go in every machine I own.
I'm interested in this archoil though. I hope someone posts their experiences once it's tried.


From the cost of it Ceratec might be a better value. I'm in the same camp as you with my interest in Archoil products. Lets see how it catches on, and hopefully get more reports as the product becomes used more.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3277913
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fyi, 9300 is available in USA just need to call Archoil and ask for it. They are in process of updating their site and maybe today, it will go live. BTW, there is also 9200 (WS2)

Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3279521
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If you are in doubt whether Archoil is working or not, just buy their smallest sample of AR6200 and use half the bottle (10ml) first time, together with 50 liter of petrol or diesel.

I bet you will see and feel a difference before 100 miles have been driven.

I have used it in 3 diesel engines, so far.

I am looking forward to use it in two motor bikes, in the spring, to see what it does in gas engines.

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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3279827
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I am now using it for a couple of weeks and my subjective opinion is out standing!!!!hugh difference. I have it in my tranny,power steering, and engine...mixed right in my red line oil. in a glass jar it just disappeared when I poured into the red line oil as to see what it did and let it sit for 2 weeks no separation..

Last edited by boxcartommie22; 02/12/14 07:46 PM.

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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3281475
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boxcartommie22, have you tried their fuel additive (AR6200), yet?

I have, and I must admit that I thought it was a scam, when the instruction told me to add 10 ml first time, to 50 liters of diesel(some 13 US Gallons).
After that, only 5ml is needed!

It turned out, confirmed so far in 3 different vehicles, that it wasn't a scam.

I guess I will try their AR9300, too, though I doubt it can be as good as AR6200.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: boxcartommie22] #3281503
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
I am now using it for a couple of weeks and my subjective opinion is out standing!!!!hugh difference. I have it in my tranny,power steering, and engine...mixed right in my red line oil. in a glass jar it just disappeared when I poured into the red line oil as to see what it did and let it sit for 2 weeks no separation..



Is this the AR9100 you mentioned above? Have you tried a similar test with Ceratec? What are the improvements you're observing? Thanks.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3282069
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I never suspected this company to be a scam...archoil mixes a lot of formulation's for nhra and other circuits..i do seasonal work at bandimere speed way.. mopar mile hi nationals are here in july with john force and many others.. I see archoil products and red line in the pit areas while tcrews of these teams tear down and rebuild engines..took no interest in ceratec..improvements with ar9100, I am using red line oils and engine's already purr I added per instructions the ar9100 to engine, tranny, and power steering. I noticed temp guage running cooler,picked up better mpg.more engine response. remember these are all subjective!!I like what this additive means and how its put together. alot of esters which compliments my red line oil...this completes my wishes to have a great boron additive.i email them with questions and got, not one, but two responses with in that day!! I was really amazed how when drop in a test tube a teaspoom of ar9100 to red line 5w20 the ar9100 just disappeared in the oil!!! and let it sit there was no fallout!! when I drive, and that goes for my other vehicles,engines winds out a lot faster a lot of ease..i am impressed!!!

hi johnny-b no I have not tried there fuel additive iam using red line complete fuel system cleaner for my additive in fuel..i am sure if you say so that their fuel additive is awesome too..i believe one cannot go wrong with archoil stuff..

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Re: Archoil products [Re: boxcartommie22] #3282626
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
I was really amazed how when drop in a test tube a teaspoom of ar9100 to red line 5w20 the ar9100 just disappeared in the oil!!! and let it sit there was no fallout!! when I drive, and that goes for my other vehicles,engines winds out a lot faster a lot of ease..i am impressed!!!


I like the no fallout part. I believe some of the competitors products will fall out of suspension in cars that aren't driven at least once a week. For some people that is exactly how their cars are driven.

It is an interesting product.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3282842
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I agree demarpaint it is an interesting product


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3288854
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today I been driving in stop and go traffic and 45 min highway driving for an hour and i'll be darn, when I got home, I opened the hood and I felt very little hot heat, and was surprised me more, I could actually lay my hand right on top of the heads and it was just warm !!!!! I could not believe it adding that boran additive ar9100 from archoil has did to reducing the heat greatly!!! I am impressed and I wanted to share this with everyone here..this is strickly non scientific. its just my observation.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: boxcartommie22] #3290441
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
today I been driving in stop and go traffic and 45 min highway driving for an hour and i'll be darn, when I got home, I opened the hood and I felt very little hot heat, and was surprised me more, I could actually lay my hand right on top of the heads and it was just warm !!!!! I could not believe it adding that boran additive ar9100 from archoil has did to reducing the heat greatly!!! I am impressed and I wanted to share this with everyone here..this is strickly non scientific. its just my observation.


That was worthless spam.

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Thank you, my goodness some days I think it's just me.

Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
today I been driving in stop and go traffic and 45 min highway driving for an hour and i'll be darn, when I got home, I opened the hood and I felt very little hot heat, and was surprised me more, I could actually lay my hand right on top of the heads and it was just warm !!!!! I could not believe it adding that boran additive ar9100 from archoil has did to reducing the heat greatly!!! I am impressed and I wanted to share this with everyone here..this is strickly non scientific. its just my observation.


That was worthless spam.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291202
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Thankfully, not all people are like you, kschachn and simple_simon.

Normally, people like to actually see and feel what they do and what's happening.

People that have difficulties with that, are much better off when they can sit down and discuss what is happening, or what SHOULD be happening.

(Removed personal insult)

Theory are very useful, when you COMBINE IT with actual experiences.


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Under the AR4000 product description:

Quote:
Both products are far superior to graphite, PTFE, moly or boric acid, base stock is group II synthetic PAO oil,


Really?


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291268
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Re: Archoil products [Re: jonny-b] #3291355
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Explain how the additive to the oil affected the regulation temperature of the thermostat.

Originally Posted By: jonny-b
Thankfully, not all people are like you, kschachn and simple_simon.

Normally, people like to actually see and feel what they do and what's happening.

People that have difficulties with that, are much better off when they can sit down and discuss what is happening, or what SHOULD be.

Theory are very useful, when you COMBINE IT with actual experiences.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291433
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less friction =less heat..not hard to understand. make sense to me..thats all I care about.i just noticed a difference in engine smell and touch.after a long run.

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Re: Archoil products [Re: boxcartommie22] #3291474
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
less friction =less heat..not hard to understand. make sense to me..thats all I care about.i just noticed a difference in engine smell and touch.after a long run.


You obviously have no clue how a modern internal combustion engine operates. How can you be sure that the breakfast that you ate wasn't the difference? ROTFLMAO

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engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291579
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Wow, OK, so engine friction produces the heat in the engine. I never knew that, I always thought it was the combustion of the gasoline that did it. Interesting.

But you still haven't answered my question. How does the oil additive affect the regulating temperature of the thermostat?


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So if an engine operated at room temperature, imagine how long it would last.

Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291835
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kschachn and simple_simon, how long have you been using this product, since you seem to know so much about it?

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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol



Not quite. Too cool and the oil doesn't get its additive package activated,too hot is also bad.
I would like to know what you think is perfect though.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: jonny-b] #3291858
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Originally Posted By: jonny-b
kschachn and simple_simon, how long have you been using this product, since you seem to know so much about it?



Originally Posted By: kschachn
Explain how the additive to the oil affected the regulation temperature of the thermostat.


Your answer is.........?



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My comments weren't about the product, they were about the claim by a user.

Once that user can explain how the product supposedly lowered his engine operating temperature I will stop asking.

No one ever answers the questions, just continues personal attacks.

Originally Posted By: jonny-b
kschachn and simple_simon, how long have you been using this product, since you seem to know so much about it?



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Re: Archoil products [Re: boxcartommie22] #3291915
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..


True enough, but the major heat problem in an automobile engine is from combustion. If there was no combustion heat, you could dispense with the pressure oil supply system.

Whatever you add to your oil to reduce heat might also make the engine last longer in and of itself and regardless of the heat issue.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3291918
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I always noticed being around the engine a lot and by touch on top of the heads it was burning hot!! since I been using ar9100. I was able to put my hand on the heads I was able to leave it there and it was just warm. that is a change I noticed in all my vehicles,also all my vehicles run with very little effort!! mpg is now 23mpg highway and city use to be 20. this is in my Lincoln conti. I know none of this is scientific but I thought it was something to mention.dave, I realize that but my goal is to reduce engine heat friction for longevity.

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Re: Archoil products [Re: kschachn] #3291996
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
So if an engine operated at room temperature, imagine how long it would last.

Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol


Yup. Just put a very cold thermostat into your engine so that it never reaches proper operating temperature and it will last forever. boxcartommie22 should patent that idea.

Re: Archoil products [Re: Clevy] #3292414
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol



Not quite. Too cool and the oil doesn't get its additive package activated,too hot is also bad.
I would like to know what you think is perfect though.


Perfection. That unattainable goal. But it would seem that Archies Oil has attained it.

P.T. Barnum must be chuckling about now.


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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
engine friction creates heat reduce the friction get less heat and your engine will last longer..i recommend you go back to your homemaking and leave the cars and engines to the men!!!lol



Not quite. Too cool and the oil doesn't get its additive package activated,too hot is also bad.
I would like to know what you think is perfect though.


Perfection. That unattainable goal. But it would seem that Archies Oil has attained it.

P.T. Barnum must be chuckling about now.


Too funny.

Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3293252
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AR9100 sure sounds a lot like ZX1. The OP was peddling that stuff about a year ago.

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If friction equals heat, then I would really like to hear how it is that this "miracle additive" reduces friction SO MUCH that you are seeing an actual reduction in running temp?

I had EVERY SINGLE internal component of my motor (along with the transmission guts, and parts of the LSD) treated with WPC, with the provided 3rd party testing showing between 22.8 and 34.11 percent reduction in friction, but despite this GENUINE, PROVEN method, I run at the same temperature as ever?

Did I pick up a decent bit of power from the reduction in parasitic losses? You bet!
Does my thermostat read ANYTHING but the exactproper tempera ture once warmed up? (have a pair of 4-point temp sensors, one for water and one for oil, readout on a pair of LCD gauges independent of the car's own sensors, and accurate to 0.05F)...

NO!


This thread is getting to be nothing but pseudo pseudo-science...


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Re: Archoil products [Re: nleksan] #3295505
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Originally Posted By: nleksan
If friction equals heat, then I would really like to hear how it is that this "miracle additive" reduces friction SO MUCH that you are seeing an actual reduction in running temp?

I had EVERY SINGLE internal component of my motor (along with the transmission guts, and parts of the LSD) treated with WPC, with the provided 3rd party testing showing between 22.8 and 34.11 percent reduction in friction, but despite this GENUINE, PROVEN method, I run at the same temperature as ever?

Did I pick up a decent bit of power from the reduction in parasitic losses? You bet!
Does my thermostat read ANYTHING but the exactproper tempera ture once warmed up? (have a pair of 4-point temp sensors, one for water and one for oil, readout on a pair of LCD gauges independent of the car's own sensors, and accurate to 0.05F)...

NO!


This thread is getting to be nothing but pseudo pseudo-science...



I agree. Temps won't go down because the engine is thermostatically controlled to operate at that temp however it may take longer to achieve that operating temp.
Less drag equals less parasitic loss equal less energy to spin the engine with no load means less fuel consumption.

Your right. Without some before and after mpg figures tracked over multiple thousands of miles(like I did with mos2) then this whole thread is basically drivel.

If someone is actually gonna try this stuff PLUUUUHEEEEEEEEESE track a few thousand miles of fuel consumption then add this stuff at oil change time,using the same oil and filter as the previous sump fill to reduce and potential inconsistencies and then track mileages after treatment.
We can all agree that if friction is reduced fuel economy will increase so we can use that data to infer if the stuff does reduce friction.

I'm sticking with ceratec until someone does like I did last year and put 10000 miles into actual honest testing.


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Originally Posted By: nleksan
If friction equals heat, then I would really like to hear how it is that this "miracle additive" reduces friction SO MUCH that you are seeing an actual reduction in running temp?


Supportable data that can be repeated would be nice.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3296086
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i believe a reduction of heat at the point of friction.that is what i am aiming for..wouldn't make parts last longer? i feel, this additive ar 9100, has done that. purely my opinion.

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Re: Archoil products [Re: nleksan] #3296274
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Originally Posted By: nleksan
If friction equals heat, then I would really like to hear how it is that this "miracle additive" reduces friction SO MUCH that you are seeing an actual reduction in running temp?

I had EVERY SINGLE internal component of my motor (along with the transmission guts, and parts of the LSD) treated with WPC, with the provided 3rd party testing showing between 22.8 and 34.11 percent reduction in friction, but despite this GENUINE, PROVEN method, I run at the same temperature as ever?

Did I pick up a decent bit of power from the reduction in parasitic losses? You bet!
Does my thermostat read ANYTHING but the exactproper tempera ture once warmed up? (have a pair of 4-point temp sensors, one for water and one for oil, readout on a pair of LCD gauges independent of the car's own sensors, and accurate to 0.05F)...

NO!


This thread is getting to be nothing but pseudo pseudo-science...


100% correct. Logic and reason will always win out in the end.

Hopefully this will put an end to "testimonies" like this one that only makes what might be a legitimate additive look like ridiculous snake oil:
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
I always noticed being around the engine a lot and by touch on top of the heads it was burning hot!! since I been using ar9100. I was able to put my hand on the heads I was able to leave it there and it was just warm. that is a change I noticed in all my vehicles,also all my vehicles run with very little effort!! mpg is now 23mpg highway and city use to be 20.

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Testimonies will always be here so long as people don't demand more.

Everyone has opinions. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone can back them up with supportable/repeatable data.



Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

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However, when people ask for more (much less demand it) they are labeled as meddling or disruptive, and accused of hijacking threads.

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Testimonies will always be here so long as people don't demand more.

Everyone has opinions. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone can back them up with supportable/repeatable data.


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Originally Posted By: kschachn
However, when people ask for more (much less demand it) they are labeled as meddling or disruptive, and accused of hijacking threads.

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Testimonies will always be here so long as people don't demand more.

Everyone has opinions. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone can back them up with supportable/repeatable data.


Oh, I know.



Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

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So i ordered the AR9100 friction modifier, and the 6200 fuel additive, this stuff looks great. Ill keep you guys posted.


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its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


Working great based on what? Your hand to the manifold test?

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Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


Working great based on what? Your hand to the manifold test?


We get...you don't like the stuff...don't buy it.

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Originally Posted By: GatorJ
Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


Working great based on what? Your hand to the manifold test?


We get...you don't like the stuff...don't buy it.


It isn't a question of what he likes or not. But more one of evidence and fact. Something that can be repeated.

Putting your hand on a manifold doesn't tell anyone anything. Now if you had a photo of the temp reading before/after this stuff was added, it would be more useful to anyone who may have an interest in said stuff.

Saying it works great in one's vehicle doesn't really say anything. If it did, we would all be using a certain oil you don't have to change because a few said it works great in their vehicles.

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Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates




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If the only benefit is that I can place my hand on a manifold then I won't.

You aren't helping your cause.

Originally Posted By: GatorJ
Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


Working great based on what? Your hand to the manifold test?


We get...you don't like the stuff...don't buy it.


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: domer10] #3351880
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Originally Posted By: domer10
So i ordered the AR9100 friction modifier, and the 6200 fuel additive, this stuff looks great. Ill keep you guys posted.


Please do let us know, not much info on these products here. I haven't done any real "testing" other than an emissions test, but I haven't really noticed much one way or the other on the F250 w/ 9100. Truck is still running well, as it did before.


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Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: domer10
So i ordered the AR9100 friction modifier, and the 6200 fuel additive, this stuff looks great. Ill keep you guys posted.


Please do let us know, not much info on these products here. I haven't done any real "testing" other than an emissions test, but I haven't really noticed much one way or the other on the F250 w/ 9100. Truck is still running well, as it did before.


Thats a good sign, could be preventing problems, i am doing a before and after, going to take a sample of oil I have in the M3 right now, get it tested, then run the exact same length and have that tested, going to run the car exact same, mix of normal driving with a few sprints here and there. See the wear numbers. Also going to try and keep fuel calculated as well.


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #3495703
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domer10 do you have any update on your Archoil usage?

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Is the AR 9100 opaque to solid, and milky, like Ceratec, or is it clear/amber colored??


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its a dark amber color

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where did you order it from?


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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
its working great in my vehicles!!! using it in my red line oil


this guy is like a robot. just saying the same bulletin points over and over.


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So here is whats in it. From the msds. Perhaps Mola could give us some insight.

http://www.archoil.nl/pdf/msds/SDS%20AR9100%20NL%28EN%29.pdf


Chemical Name
Concentration CAS Number EC Number R/H Phrases* Symbols
Potassium Tetraborate 1-10% 12045-78-2
H315, H319,
H335
R36, R37,
R38
GHS07
Xi

Fatty Acid Ester
10-50% 68440-09-5 270-434-5

Methyl Oleate
20-40% 112-62-9 203-992-5 H319, H413
R36, R53
GHS07
Xi


Tetra ester 10-40%
68334-18-9 269-815-9


Paraffin
20-50% 8012-95-1 232-384-2 H413
R53
GHS08
Xn

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Potassium borates dispersed in a very finely divided state, improve the load-carrying, anticorrosion, and antiwear properties of industrial and automotive gear lubricants. Under extreme conditions, potassium borates interact with metal load-bearing surfaces to form a film of extraordinary resilience. This tenacious film provides outstanding load-carrying capacity and wear protection. Diazotype developer A light-sensitive composition can be produced by combining a nonionic aromatic diazo compound and a cationic dye-borate anion complex. Potassium tetraborate can be used as the source of borate anion

fatty acid ester is type of ester when combine with an alcohol

tetra ester fatigue endurance tests reduce oxidation,synthetic,corrosion,inhibitor,antiwear.

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Do potassium borates also have a high alkaline component to them, as in, do they also act as a TBN boosting acid fighter/neutralizer, or solely as an anti-wear compound?? ???


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Our gallon of Archoil AR9100 and quart of AR6200 came last week but the daughter just found it today at a door we do not use often so I guess it was a new driver.

Look forward to working with it as we have many engines due or beyond for an oil change.

Mula may have be the one that asked how they compute the 0.037 coefficient of friction but it turns out they spell it out in the enclosed fact sheet per the below.

Summary of Test Results

Falex Pin and Vee Test ASTM D-3233
(3.5% in 100 neutral mineral oil) The mixing ratio of 1.12 oz. per quart of motor oil as I computed it.

Load 3750
Torque 47
COF 0.037

This just tells about the equipment needed to do D-3233 test


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daily driver potassium borates are alkaline when combined with other alkaline's and neutralizes acids.when I changed my oil after 3 years my oil filter was extremely clean!!strong detergent with all the esters prior to using archoil my stainless steel filter caught a lot of stuff.mercury had 7000 miles on the oil.i am really impressed with my combination of red line and archoil 9100 its one of the best additives I have found.the fill hole is really clean inside

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not to mention the friction mod and anti wear properties


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Boxcart, please stop. You aren't helping on any level at this point.

Looking forward to your results Gale. I'm currently using a mix of 9100 and 9300 in my Land Rover 2.5L diesel. Since I dont have any lab grade empirical results that would survive the peer review process for publication, I wont share them other than one: The Wife Test.

The rover is a bit of a noisy and rough lummox and at highway speeds the motor noise and vibration are quite substantial. Before a 5600 mile excursion this summer I put the recommended doses of 9300 and 9100 in a fresh change of T6 (Rotella). I did not give my wife any indication something had been altered or introduced. About 4 hours into our drive my wife asked if I fixed something because it was much quieter and smoother. I had noticed as well, but since the placebo effect could be assigned to my own perception it was interesting to note that she noticed a difference as well.


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antisoshal, i am not surprised by her findings and no i am not stopping i say what i experience over and over..believe it or not. that's how i feel about this product just want everyone else to experience the benefits or at lease try it.


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I am looking forward to what all of you report. Instead of hauling some hay (can do that anytime before bad weather) this weekend I am planning to get a tailgate made for the F700 with the 16' flat dump with the new steel bed and help my brother haul some corn. It will not that many miles but they will be highway miles (about 30 each round trip). Since I only have 2' sides for dirt/gravel I will not be over loaded but it will put some load on the engine. With all the rain using the tractor and backhoe may be delayed a bit but I hope they hammer less after a few hours. When a wife remarks about less noise that is impressive input for sure. On the diesels a lot of the noise is injector pump noise I know.

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Quote:
So here is whats in it. From the msds. Perhaps Mola could give us some insight.


Here is a basic explanation:

Potassium Tetraborate 1-10% 12045-78-2

A compound of 2 potassium atoms with 4 boron atoms, hence "tetra."
Anti-wear, friction modifier, weak acid neutralizer.


Fatty Acid Ester 10-50% 68440-09-5 270-434-5

A wool fatty acid reacted with pentaerythritol alcohol to produce an ester. A friction modifier. Has detergent properties as well.


Methyl Oleate 20-40% 112-62-9

Oleic acid reacted with methyl alcohol to produce an ester. This a low viscosity ester. Most likely used to insure mixing of the potassium tetraborate, mineral oil, and the other two esters.


Tetra ester 10-40% 68334-18-9
Tall oil ((TOFA) acid reacted with pentaerythritol alcohol to produce an ester. Tall oil is a byproduct of pine tree rosin and a source of oleic acid. A friction modifier.


Paraffin 20-50% 8012-95-1

White mineral oil.

I would suspect the mix is mostly mineral oil (to keep costs down) with a low percentage of potassium borate and esters (high cost items).

The percentages are bogus and are there to make sure you don't guess the exact formulation.

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thank you molakule.


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Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
domer10 do you have any update on your Archoil usage?


Not really. We did drive the F700 16' flat dump to town 40 miles which was the first time on the road. We filled it up and picked up 6 sheets of PlyForm (high quality 3/4" plywood) to extend the sides from 2' (for dirt/rock hauling) to 4' to help my bother haul shelled corn as it rained much of his two weeks he took off to do it. This will put the 429 to work under a load since it should haul about 320 bushels per load. We still have not placed the dragging starter but today it never failed to start fast.

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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
daily driver potassium borates are alkaline when combined with other alkaline's and neutralizes acids.when I changed my oil after 3 years my oil filter was extremely clean!!strong detergent with all the esters prior to using archoil my stainless steel filter caught a lot of stuff.mercury had 7000 miles on the oil.i am really impressed with my combination of red line and archoil 9100 its one of the best additives I have found.the fill hole is really clean inside


Thanks for the report boxcartommie22. I was leaning towards AR9300 but went with Archoil AR9100 since it only cost $10 to do a 5 quart engine which is about a 1/3 of the cost of Ceratec. Since all of our engines are 10-40 years old the cleaning provided by AR9100 impressed me. When the gallon is used up AR9300 may be more affordable and I will start out using it with clean engine and oil pan.

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Since changing oil and adding Archoil AR9100 we now have over 200 miles hauling grain to the elevator (13 miles away) in the often over loaded 1989 F700 429 engine which does not sound like a lot of miles but often the petal is to the metal for long periods of time on grades. The oil is still so clear I have a hard time seeing the level on the dip stick even when it is cold. This is the most I have used the truck in one week since we got it in 2009. We have AR6200 in the fuel as well. Not able to make any remarks about Archoil products at this point that would be meaningful.

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I was looking at the ingredient list for AR9300.

http://www.archoil.com/wp-content/uploads/sheets/ARCHOIL%20AR9300%20Product%20Tech%20Sheet.pdf

The top three active ingredients are SiO2 (quarts or ultrapure sand), MgO (Used to make portland cement), and Fe2O3 (rust). I cannot comment on this product's performance, but sand, cement, and rust do sound more like oil contaminants than oil additives.

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Sodium - very active metal, it even can explode in the water
Chlorine - can react with almost all elements and poisoned humans

Are you guys kidding me telling, that you consume Sodium chloride daily ????

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btw, from the first paragraph mineral from Ural mountain is actually "serpentinite ultrafine powder" a family of minerals.

in theory a material like silica oxide do abrasion, then on naked metal this kind of mineral will apply, producing extremely hard coating. The effect was discovered by Russians when the drilled some earth minerals, in some cases a drill bit, (whatever) last much longer , like in times, so the effect cause by specific mineral, google suprotec;

means archoil may just resell this product.

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Originally Posted By: DrAdmin

Are you guys kidding me telling, that you consume Sodium chloride daily ????


Just out of curiosity, who does NOT consume sodium chloride daily?


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They sure emphasize wind turbines.

Quote:
AR9300 is for use in extreme environments such as gear boxes in wind turbines, jack pumps, heavy equipment, high temperature environments, high performance, locomotive engines, drilling, or wherever the present lubricant is over-challenged by the work load.


Recent research in wind turbine bearing and transmission failures has found that failures are the result of certain metallic alloy inclusions that cause localized fracturing under oscillatory loads.

So I don't see how a concrete mix in the lube could help wind turbines. grin2

Either there is a translation problem here or this stuff is way off the charts.


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See this for a description of Serpentine

http://www.minerals.net/mineral/serpentine.aspx

Serpentine is a metamorphic mineral composed of mineral silicates as can be seen in the above description. Furthermore, different geological locations yield different types of serpentine with varying amounts of mineral mixes.

I would like to see a tribological/chemical explanation of how this stuff in oil works at the surface/interface level of steel alloys.

What is the particle size? This determines how much would be trapped in an oil filter.

In addition the question of, what is this "magnetic" material referred to, has not been answered.

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There are studies that have looked at similar preparations in mineral oil. A recent reference with abstract is below. It seems to form a good tribofilm for boundary lubrication. For copyright reasons, I can't post the manuscript. But if anyone has a specific question, I can dig through the paper and let you know what I find.



Helong Yu,Yi Xu,Peijing Shi,Hongmei Wang, Min Wei, Keke Zhao, Binshi Xu.
Microstructure, mechanical properties and tribological behavior of tribofilm generated from natural serpentine mineral powders as lubricant additive.
Wear. Volume 297, Issues 12, 15 January 2013, Pages 802810.

Abstract

Surface-modified serpentine powders with an average size of 1.0 μm were dispersed into mineral base oil to improve the lubricating properties of oil, as well as to generate a thin tribofilm on the worn surface. SEM, TEM, nano-indentation and Stribeck testing were performed to study the morphology, microstructure, micromechanical properties and tribological behavior of the tribofilm, respectively. Results show that a nanocrystalline tribofilm, with a thickness of 500600 nm, is formed on the worn surface under the lubrication of oil with 1.5 wt% serpentine. The film is mainly composed of Fe3O4, FeSi, SiO2, AlFe and Fe-C compound (Fe3C). A phenomenological model of the tribofilm generated by serpentine was developed based on the experimental results. The excellent mechanical properties, reinforced phase of embedded particles and porous structure of the tribofilm contribute to the reduction of friction and wear, especially in the case of boundary and mixed lubrication.

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In the abstract above, "&#956:m" is micrometer or micron.

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thank you gmorg!!


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wow got it:

crazy Russians run the car without any oil in the pan, 1st car was untreated, 2nd treated by, let say, some compound
native link and google translated

ah, 1st died at 40 miles, second did round trip at 100 miles, without any damage, in rod inserts, - unbelievable ...;
translated:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zr.ru%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2F15622-maslanoje_golodanije%2F

native (in case if google lost):
http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/15622-maslanoje_golodanije/

http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/15622-maslanoje_golodanije/

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Originally Posted By: GMorg
But if anyone has a specific question, I can dig through the paper and let you know what I find.


Was the study done using fully formulated motor oil or pure base oil?

Ed


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one more:

a bench test on 5 engines: as 20 hours initial break-in cycle.
6 different compounds, engines was treated, the run without oil, in break-in cycle.

http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/440256...vogo_vkladysha/

shortly:

yellow star where it dies, and treated composition; 1st engine untreated; VERT-RPM; HORiZ - running time in min

overall 1 hour at 4000 rpm without drop of oil; of course all die due to friction overheating, but 60 min long ....

and seems suprotec and archoil not the same, but similar ... suprotec some greenish liquid, with 3 times treatment process.

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@ Edhackett
Other than the ground serpentine at 1.5% WT/vol, the base oil contained no additives. The base oil was SN 500 mineral oil.

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There are actually many references (from different labs) for ground serpentine and ground silica as oil additives. As long as the particle size is below about 10 microns, every paper observed less surface abrasion than virgin base oil alone. I'm surprised...

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Polish guys burning wheels without oil in the pan, 350 miles

http://www.ceramizer.com/content/view/29/41/

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Thanks a lot GMorg. Several people here, have been tring to explain this, to Molakule, over a period of 3-5 years.

I guess he should now take an extra look at it.

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However, for his defence, I guess that he has never owned a vehicle with a worn out engine/transmission.

That should be one of the first lessions, if one wants to learn somethings about what is working, or not.

Again, sitting behind a desk, calculating what is possible or not, will never be accurate.

However, paper-tigers will always be telling the opposite.

And of course, since they sit behind a desk all day, they are very clever with words.

It doesn't make their ideas more correct, anyway.

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I'm still not convinced that ground minerals are useful in a fully formulated oil. However, under certain conditions, they can be useful in a virgin, Group I oil.

I snooped around in the literature a little more. It seems that most, if not all, of the papers are from Chinese labs. In my field, that means that a little extra scrutiny is warranted.

If ground minerals are so great, why aren't benefits being described from labs around the world? This stuff may be great, but the jury is still out for me.

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gmorg, what do you think about archoil's ar9100? a nanoborate


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I think that most of AR9100 text reads like marketing jibberish. It seems like they are trying to use language to imply that they are using borate esters, which can have a place in an oil formulation. However they seem to be using potassium borate (borax, the grit found in some cleaning preparations) suspended in an ester.

Perhaps the ester or the "nanoborate" can have a place in an oil formulation. However, I think that is would be a mistake to assume that you can add any of the Archoil products and improve an otherwise good oil.

Anyone that uses these products and finds them useful should make their own decisions. I am not yet convinced that any of the solids, however small, are miracle additives.

I am convinced that exhaust gases are the major source of heat in a head and that an oil additive is not going to reduce combustion temperatures.

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thank you gmorg


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Originally Posted By: GMorg

I am convinced that exhaust gases are the major source of heat in a head and that an oil additive is not going to reduce combustion temperatures.


GMorg I agree about exhaust gases being a major source of heat in a head but I do not follow your logic in the rest of the quote above.

Is your engine consuming a lot of motor oil pass the rings?

Where do you get the idea that AR9100 claims to reduce combustion temperatures?

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Serpentine working as extra-ultra fine abrasive, simply polish a surface, the result more smooth surface shifting curve for lower fric. coeff.

1 worn untreated surface
2 worn treated surface


3 different technique in common to move from rough to smooth surface and therefore shifting curve:
abrasion - serpentine, e.t.c.
metal plating -
polimers or layered compounds - mos2, etc


mechanical loss (vertical in H.m) vs rotation speed in engine over 110K kilometers old; black - untreated; red - treated by LM MOS2:


Again a major effect appears for a worn engine. When engine working at low rotation, below 2000 rpm. Above 2000 usually we see a hydrodynamic lubrication. Therefore the most efficient rpm range is, when additives most efficiency work and do the job, below 2000.

Conclusively, a person with city stop/go traffic will have the most from an additive where highway user a least.




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Hmmmm, asbestos enriched oils...

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A dark side.

in overall how exactly the mineral react with metal is unknown,
some hypotheses i wouldn't tell .. Due to multiple factors in overall the reaction produce a controversial result. ( can be positive or negative)

finally: unpredicted result, unknown of process, and impossible to control due to multiple variation completely abandon of usage this material as additive.

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I did mention about archoil 9300 a few post earlier, As I said product do 2 things: polished a surface, so it has an abrasion effect, and involve a chemical reaction to create a film in the area of boundary lubrication ( when 2 nano mountains shred each other and produced energy trigger a reaction)

In attempt to order it ... oops , the product do not distributed over regular consumer channels, only auto Technicians etc able to get it.

( does anyone knows Auto Technician, in my area, who can observe cylinder wall by bore-scope, and professionally conclude engine status ?)

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Originally Posted By: jonny-b
Thanks a lot GMorg. Several people here, have been tring to explain this, to Molakule, over a period of 3-5 years.

I guess he should now take an extra look at it.


Please feel free to elaborate and clarify.

What specific OTC additive are you referring to?

With regard to Potassium borate esters, they are commonly used as secondary EP additives in gear lubes and function as low-temp EP additives.

Some borate ester are used as AW addiitves in MO's as well.

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valve lifer surface:

before treatment:

after treatment:

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great thread.. I have been seeing the Archoil product being touted by Bill Hewitt at powerstrokehelp.com site.. he mentions and shows both oil and fuel additive as being a great help for diesel engines especially the 6.0L ford engines that develop issues with oil and the injectors.

I know of a few folks with the 6.0L engines that after using just the additives noticed a nice difference in starting, running and with time better MPG.

DR ADMIN,, the info you presented above showing before and after treatment, are you referring to archoil treatment in the oil only or both oil and fuel..

thanks

I have the 7.3L with 170K and plan to add the products when i do oil change later this year.

One question.. with a oil bypass filter, FS2500, will that strip the additive out of the oil over time?? the filter are rated for 3 microns.

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I don't really understand those pictures, is that a good thing and why? Can anyone explain what it shows and why it makes a difference? It appears to show the surface is smoother, but does that help "something" at those relative levels?

And is that an Archoil product or something else? It doesn't say and people are discussing different products in this thread.


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smoother surfaces increase the area bearing the load, so less force per unit of area.


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I used Archoil's oil additive. Of all the additives I have tried, it is the best - hands down. I noticed the difference right away.

With a newer car where the oil is changed on schedule with top tier oils, it most likely wouldn't make a bit of discernable difference. With an older engine, engineered before CNC engine machining, it has the better chance for impact. I fall into this category.

This, parenthetically for me, is where the battle lines get drawn on archoil and others: "It didn't work for me", usually they are in the first camp; "It worked for me", generally in the latter camp.

For me, Archoil works.


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I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.

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Boxcart, please stop. You aren't helping on any level at this point.

Looking forward to your results Gale. I'm currently using a mix of 9100 and 9300 in my Land Rover 2.5L diesel. Since I dont have any lab grade empirical results that would survive the peer review process for publication, I wont share them other than one: The Wife Test.

The rover is a bit of a noisy and rough lummox and at highway speeds the motor noise and vibration are quite substantial. Before a 5600 mile excursion this summer I put the recommended doses of 9300 and 9100 in a fresh change of T6 (Rotella). I did not give my wife any indication something had been altered or introduced. About 4 hours into our drive my wife asked if I fixed something because it was much quieter and smoother. I had noticed as well, but since the placebo effect could be assigned to my own perception it was interesting to note that she noticed a difference as well.

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Originally Posted By: SR1919
I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


There's nothing in a UOA that would show the "effectiveness" of this additive, even if you had a definition of what effective meant.

And as for as restoration of engine surfaces...


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Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...

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Originally Posted By: keesue
Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...


Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you use Archoil 9300? And is your car a diesel?

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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


There's nothing in a UOA that would show the "effectiveness" of this additive, even if you had a definition of what effective meant.

And as for as restoration of engine surfaces...


I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.

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Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


Wear metals for example.

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Originally Posted By: SR1919
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


Wear metals for example.


Not true for driveline components. As we have seen in some past UOA's, there were very few wear metals showing just before a major component failure.

A UOA, when compared to a VOA, shows how well the TBN is holding up or if there is any coolant intrusion.

One must have a VOA of any mix, so you have a baseline for comparison, or the UOA is virtually useless.


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Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?

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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
[quote=SR1919][quote=kschachn][quote=SR1919]

And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?


Good question. I had to guess a combination of WS2 and borate esters maybe. I have not found a VOA for Archoil 9300 yet.

I was trying to see if those folks that have used Archoil 9300 in their cars have observed any negative effects. For example some unintended reaction with seals, leaks or anything else that can be reported.

I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA. Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).

I agree that it is not an easy way to come to compare and draw conclusions.

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Even worse than trying to interpret a wear metal number from a UOA would be trying to attribute the difference to the additive.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3943378
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Quote:
I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA.


The better way would be to mix the additive with the formulated engine oil and obtain a VOA analysis of the mix. That way you have a firm and accurate baseline.


Quote:
Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).


The problem with that is there are just too many variables such as:

1. different driving styles

2. different engine and driveline designs

3. different fuels,

4. different engine oil formulations,

5. different climatic conditions


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Re: Archoil products [Re: MolaKule] #3943656
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Yes good suggestion about getting a VOA with the Archoil additive mixed in. The tricky part is how to do it proportionally with such a small amount of additive such as the Archoil 9300 (100 ml).

In terms of the UOA database I agree that in order to minimize variability you need a as many data points as you can get and that is not always possible or practical.

In any case from a qualitative point of view I appreciate folks who come here and report back on their experience with the Archoil products such as the 9300.

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA.


The better way would be to mix the additive with the formulated engine oil and obtain a VOA analysis of the mix. That way you have a firm and accurate baseline.


Quote:
Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).


The problem with that is there are just too many variables such as:

1. different driving styles

2. different engine and driveline designs

3. different fuels,

4. different engine oil formulations,

5. different climatic conditions

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3943979
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
[quote=SR1919][quote=kschachn][quote=SR1919]

And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?


Good question. I had to guess a combination of WS2 and borate esters maybe. I have not found a VOA for Archoil 9300 yet.

I was trying to see if those folks that have used Archoil 9300 in their cars have observed any negative effects. For example some unintended reaction with seals, leaks or anything else that can be reported.

I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA. Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).

I agree that it is not an easy way to come to compare and draw conclusions.


The problem is that the 9300 product is SO durned costly that even the small amount needed for a VOA is costing the sender a very pretty penny. frown


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Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...


Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you use Archoil 9300? And is your car a diesel?


Sure thing. Archoil 9100. Gasoline turbocharged engine (The 1981 TurboVolvo). I have no explanation for this other than the rings are sealing better and the turbo bearing is cleaner. All I know is what I've observed.

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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #3947065
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Great info guys. Have been interested in trying Archoil 9100 in my 2014 powerstroke 6.7 F550. Mainly for its cleaning abilities and potential lubrication (improvements?) for the turbo. Been trying to find real world (data) that it actually works. Most compelling evidence is how it helps Powerstoke 6.0 with cold injector stiction which may or may not translate into anything (proof wise). Thanks for sharing your experience Keesue.

Has anyone looked into the Archoil case studies (I believe found on their EU site)? Do they appear to be extensive enough to be creditable?


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #3998084
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I was doing some reading on Archoil products and found where I had posted when we got our first gallon of AR9100 and quart of AR6200. Recently we started on our second gallon of AR9100 but still have AR6200 left.

The AR9100 does seem to clean the crankcase of a dirty engine from just looking inside with the oil fill cap removed.

I used Lubegard Red and Platinum for the first time last week. I put it in an Aisin Warner AWF21 six speed transmission in the 2006 Ford Five Hundred we purchased a couple weeks ago. The owner said the ATF had never been changed but the oil was changed every 5K miles at the Ford dealer where he worked as a salesman.

My point is like AR9100 the Lubegard marketing materials talks about the esters is what cleans up cleans up the valve body, servos, etc in an automatic transmission. Archoil talks about adding 3 oz of AR9100 per gallon of ATF in the system to make it work better. I expect the esters play a role but I have never put AR9100 in a transmission yet.

What I still do not know about AR9100 is its long term effect. I think the esters in it and Lubegard may be a major value in both products.

The 3.0L Ford V6 engine is clean as a new one and from the Ford dealer OCI sticker they used the 5W-20 Motor Craft blend. Using quality motor oil and filter seems to be all that it takes to keep a new engine clean for its first 110K miles. smile

The transmission seemed to be shifting fine. Before I do bucket flushes by removing ATF cooling lines at the cooler I like to run Seafoam and now Seafoam Trans Tune for 200-300 miles before doing the flush when it is hot.

I noticed especially hard downshifting and some tach flickering when shifting from 4th to OD1 but not to OD2 or any other shifts. I took the flickering to be some slipping going on. I was not paying attention and had just bought the car so I do not this was from adding 8 oz of Seafoam or not.

I had purchased 2 quarts of Lubegard Red and 1 quart of Lubegard Platinum so I put in 8 oz of Lubegard Red and the other half of can of Seafoam Trans Tune. The hard down shifting stopped within 50 miles.

It has D and 1 options and it was using the 1 position where I learned about the hard downshifting. As it turns out in position 1 only gears 1 and 2 are active. When the tack hits 3700 RPM it will shift to 2nd gear but not more at higher RPM's. The computer will down shift to 1st gear when the RPM's drop to 1700 RPM's. Before I added the 8 oz of Lubegard that computer controlled downshift was HARSH. After driving it 50 miles I used position 1 again an while it was fast and positive it did not hammer like before adding the Lubegard Red.

After I pushed out a gallon of the old ATF I then pushed out 2 gallons of new Mobil 3309 ATF out and then refilled with about a total of 3.5 quarts topping it off with 16 oz of Lubegard Platinum. By mouth I blew the ATF out of the cooler and return line before the first pump down is how I got a gallon out on the first pumping by starting the engine.

The oil change per the window sticker had 3K miles on the last change and the oil looked clean when I added 8 oz of AR9100 to the crankcase and I have driven it about 600 miles and the oil still looks fairly clean but then there was no signs of build up in the engine when we got the car. I have an appointment with the local Ford dealer for service tomorrow.

Saturday we leave for St. Paul MN and should put 2000 miles on it by this time next week. I will dump 8 more oz of AR9100 after the oil change tomorrow. I know the computer reports 30 MPG on relative level roads at 55 MPH and will be interested what it will report at Interstate speeds.

It had high end tires with the thread at the wear markers but I lucked out and got a nearly new set Arctic Claw Winter TXI M&S tires for $125 from a tire store I have been doing business with for years. No one around here runs snow tires because we just do not get much snow but the next day we got a big snow and that car would go and stop better than anything I ever drove. Yes the snow tires make a little noise but I only notice it at lower speeds. This is the wrong time of the year for a redneck from KY to be going almost to Canada but that is where the MN Mutual Insurance Carriers hold their annual meeting. smile

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GaleHawkins, any thoughts about Archoil AR9200 and AR9300?

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GaleHawkins, any thoughts about Archoil AR9200 and AR9300?


SR1919 I have not worked with the AR9200 or AR9300 but have received our 5th gallon jug of Archoil AR9100.

I am doing a full car use test (2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X with 105K miles as of Aug 2017) of AR9100 by adding 1 oz. to the oil power steering fluid (plan to flush it some day) but we it hot drain of engine, 4EAT ATF (bucket flush actually), and both front and rear differentials and refilled with owner manual spec fluids and added the Archoil AR9100 to specs on the jug in all five fluids.

So far all is well. Auto transmission up shifts were fine but driving it in Manual shifting mode initially the forced down shifts were HARD but now they are smooth. Keep in mind just flushing out the old fluids and going back with new could have done the trick.

We just picked up a 1966 Ford 3000 diesel tractor two weeks ago that we are rehabing and AR9100 is going into everything except the radiator and fuel tank. It is now in the engine, injector pump, power steering, transmission and differential/lift system.

We do not know the hours on the tractor but the engine pulls strongly and is relative clean (major oil leaks) compared to other 51 year old diesel tractors we looked at recently.

I did add a quart of AR9100 to the hydraulic/gear box common sump of the 1983 John Deere 310B backhoe but after a few hours of usage I have not noticed anything different.

We use AR9100 in about 10 engines around the place. It seems the diesel engines oil stays clear longer now.

All I can say after a few years of using Archoil AR9100 is I have not had any negative experiences. It really went against the grain to add it to a working 8 year old Subaru automatic transmission but Archoil has it as a labeled use so I went full bore in this Subaru and now Ford 3000 tractor.

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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Even worse than trying to interpret a wear metal number from a UOA would be trying to attribute the difference to the additive.


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Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins


I did add a quart of AR9100 to the hydraulic/gear box common sump of the 1983 John Deere 310B backhoe but after a few hours of usage I have not noticed anything different.


So what should one expect from a friction modifier in a hydraulic system?

Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
We use AR9100 in about 10 engines around the place. It seems the diesel engines oil stays clear longer now...



Does that mean the Archoil is interferring with the detergents and dispersants in the HD oil?

HD oils are formulated with high levels of detergents and dispersants so as to scoop up and suspend soot and other hydrocarbon particulates, hence HD oils should darken from soot and other hydrocarbon particulates during operation.

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Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
We use AR9100 in about 10 engines around the place. It seems the diesel engines oil stays clear longer now...

Does that mean the Archoil is interferring with the detergents and dispersants in the HD oil?

HD oils are formulated with high levels of detergents and dispersants so as to scoop up and suspend soot and other hydrocarbon particulates, hence they should darken from soot and other hydrocarbon particulates.

I was going to ask that as well, kind of like the recent thread when a person said they didn't like the OEM air filter because it got "filthy" looking whereas an aftermarket one did not.


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #4563538
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This should be interesting,I'm going hunting this weekend but dying to get back to hear results.I use AR9100 in crankcase and thats it. Going back to Ceratec soon and for good.


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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins


I did add a quart of AR9100 to the hydraulic/gear box common sump of the 1983 John Deere 310B backhoe but after a few hours of usage I have not noticed anything different.


So what should one expect from a friction modifier in a hydraulic system?

Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
We use AR9100 in about 10 engines around the place. It seems the diesel engines oil stays clear longer now...



Does that mean the Archoil is interferring with the detergents and dispersants in the HD oil?

HD oils are formulated with high levels of detergents and dispersants so as to scoop up and suspend soot and other hydrocarbon particulates, hence HD oils should darken from soot and other hydrocarbon particulates during operation.


While I can not speak to friction modifiers in general but when it comes to Archoil AR9100 it cleans (esters) and is to reduce friction between moving parts. I have since started using AR9100 in automatic transmissions to do both. I have 15K miles on the 2010 Subaru 4 speed auto (now at 120K total miles)and 3K miles on the 6R80 behind 5.4L in the 2010 F150 (now at 208K total miles) and the shifting is great and without lag time.

Servos getting dirty can be major fail point in hydraulic systems as well as friction.

There was one post about oil/hydraulic filters catching more particles out of the fluid after being treated with Archoil AR9100. On a tractor that has not had the oil changed in about four years and the Shell Rotella T6 is not as clear now as it was for the first couple years so I will pick up a new filter perhaps and add a quart or just run it a quart low. If the oil clears back up we know the dark stuff went into the white filter materials perhaps.

I do not advise others to use additives or not use additives because I believe in Free Will.

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As an update all is still well end to end in the 2010 Subaru Forester after an addition 10K miles of running Archoil AR9100 in engine, front and rear differentials, 4 speed Auto ATF and the power steering. Recently I did slow and WOT take offs noting how it shifted. Shifts were solid with no slippage. I run in Manual mode about 1/3 of the time and the downshifts are nice and solid but the computer will not permit a downshift if it would red line the RPM's like most modern vehicles.

I have put another 4K miles on the 2010 Ford F-150 six speed Auto with the Archoil AR9100 still in the transmission and it is still shifting well. I did add a spin on inline ATF filter in front of the tow package extra cooler in front of the radiator. Shifting to H4X and L4X was hard until we drained the transfer case and refilled with one quart of Transfer case ATF then added 4 oz of AR9100 then topped off the refill with the same ATF.

Now shifting down and back up to 2x is much smoother. Since it got new ATF and AR9100 in the transfer case at the same point in time there is no way to know which lead to more dependable and solid shifting but I like the no grinding sound.

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