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#3129334 - 09/19/13 08:09 AM Re: Questions about different oil in same engines. [Re: Spudislander]
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Registered: 10/01/06
Posts: 56
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Spudislander
Originally Posted By: Clevy
The ESP oil is formulated for the emissions equipment. It has less of some elements that could possible shorten the life of you're emissions equipment.
I believe the 0w oils are TYPICALLY more advanced than their 5w- counterparts.


Do the 0w oils have better formulation for the emissions equipment vs the 5w20 motor oils? I have a 2013 Mazda 3 with 2.0L motor and Mazda recommends 0w20 whereas the recommended oil for my previous (2009) Mazda 3 with the same motor was 5w20. I was thinking about using some 5w20 Valvoline Synpower which is on sale at the local Walmart. However, if its formulation is not as good for protecting the emissions equipment I will not use it.


Sorry, just realized that I was reading under the Diesel section of the forum. I assume this does not apply the same to gasoline engines.

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#3129343 - 09/19/13 08:18 AM Re: Questions about different oil in same engines. [Re: kimandsally]
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Registered: 07/11/12
Posts: 69
Loc: FL
Originally Posted By: kimandsally
Hi I'm new so please be gentle.
I have a Ford 2.0l PSA DW engine Ford recommend this: Mobil Super 3000 X1 Formula FE 5W-30
But with the same engine in another car V70 2.0D (D4204T - 100kW) the recommend this:
Mobil Super 3000 X1 Formula FE 5W-30 or this: MOBIL 1 ESP 0W-30
But the same engine in this 407 2.0 HDi 16V FAP/DPF Coupe (DW10BTED4 - 103kW) they recommend this: MOBIL 1 ESP FORMULA 5W-30.

I understand the basics of oil and I get Ford want the use the FE to save fuel but what I don't understand is why Peugeot and Citroen both use the Mobil 1 ESP 5W 30.

I want to use the Mobil 1 ESP 5W 30 I don't care about the minuscule amount fuel I will lose I want the engine to run longer as it will be a while until I can afford to buy another car so I want this to live a long and reliable life.
I know the Peugeots and Citroens use this system:

* a post-injection of fuel in the expansion phase, which generates post-combustion in the cylinder and raises the temperature of the gases by 200 C to 250 C, to around 350C to 400 C.

* additional post-combustion generated by an oxidation catalyser placed upstream of the filter, which treats the unburned hydrocarbons from the post-injection phase. The temperature may increase by a further 100 C, up to 450C or 500 C.

* the fuel additive Eolys fuel additive. This additive lowers the natural particle combustion temperature to 450 C.

And my Ford doesn't use the Eloys fuel additive but it says: The DPF regeneration can be done both actively and passively.


Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 is for the cars have DPF and that's why it is recommended for your Citroen and Peugeot. However, this oil does not certify Ford 913-C.

For your Ford, either Mobil 1 0W-30 Fuel economy or Mobil Super 3000 X1 Formula FE 5W-30 will be a good choice as they certify Ford 913-C.
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2004 Honda Civic Lx [105k] Mobil1 High Mileage 5w-20

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#3129423 - 09/19/13 09:46 AM Re: Questions about different oil in same engines. [Re: Spudislander]
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Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 1081
Loc: Talkeetna, AK
Originally Posted By: Spudislander
Originally Posted By: Spudislander
Originally Posted By: Clevy
The ESP oil is formulated for the emissions equipment. It has less of some elements that could possible shorten the life of you're emissions equipment.
I believe the 0w oils are TYPICALLY more advanced than their 5w- counterparts.


Do the 0w oils have better formulation for the emissions equipment vs the 5w20 motor oils? I have a 2013 Mazda 3 with 2.0L motor and Mazda recommends 0w20 whereas the recommended oil for my previous (2009) Mazda 3 with the same motor was 5w20. I was thinking about using some 5w20 Valvoline Synpower which is on sale at the local Walmart. However, if its formulation is not as good for protecting the emissions equipment I will not use it.


Sorry, just realized that I was reading under the Diesel section of the forum. I assume this does not apply the same to gasoline engines.


Right your gas car does not have a DPF that is sensitive to ash deposits.
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'15 Toyota Prius C TGMO 0w20
'87 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60 4sp PPHM 5w30
'73 Datsun 240Z 4sp Vintage QS 10w40 from '73 in the sump



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