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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3166382
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The first oil change on my wifes 06 Toyota Avalon I used a strap wrench...worked like a charm. The problem is the King Kong types get carried away and then you will need the "$pecial wrench".

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3166400
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Originally Posted By: greenjp
Also note in that BMW photo that the filter housing has accomodations for both a special cap wrench (or at least it appears that way) as well as a standard socket, albeit a large one. I've used slip-joint channelocks on my Aunt's old 530.

jeff


Yup, IIRC, it is 24mm. I just use a 1/2" ratchet with the necessary socket on it.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3166408
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If a proprietary, non standard tool is required for the relatively simple task of changing the oil, the manufacturer is doing it wrong.

I would argue the same for transmission fluid.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: supton] #3166424
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Originally Posted By: supton
Good question; no idea. On my VW the filter comes out sopping wet, and I wind up vacuuming out the housing. The oil cooler is right under the filter, and there's a good amount that can get pulled from there.


That's because you only experienced the new version of the cartridge filter, where it has an actual necessary orientation, as it had a solid "dam" area in the center support tube. This prevented from having all of the oil draining back into the sump.

THe older version of that filter did not have that dam, so there was no orientation needed.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: hattaresguy] #3166471
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Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: Hootbro] #3166476
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.


Says the guy with three Toyota's wink


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: OVERKILL] #3166485
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Says the guy with three Toyota's wink


This guy with three Toyota's and three cartridge filter setups, does his own oil changes and does not whine about it.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: Hootbro] #3166490
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Says the guy with three Toyota's wink


This guy with three Toyota's and three cartridge filter setups, does his own oil changes and does not whine about it.


Well I'm the guy with 2x BMW's that take cartridges and 1x Ford 4x4 with a front diff in the way that takes an FL-820S and who ALSO does his own oil changes and doesn't whine about it wink But it doesn't mean I can't critique what other marques have done to make a change on their vehicles a bigger PITA than it needs to be wink


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: Hootbro] #3166492
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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: Mykl] #3166515
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Originally Posted By: Mykl
If a proprietary, non standard tool is required for the relatively simple task of changing the oil, the manufacturer is doing it wrong.

I would argue the same for transmission fluid.

I have some doozies.

At least for my 2004 WRX, the manual transmission drain bolt had a T-70 Torx head. Hard time finding it back in 2004 and I ended up spending almost $30 on a fancy German made one. It's now pretty easy to find for less than $10. I remember contacting Lisle to ask if they would consider it, and they said they never heard of an application for a T-70. They have one now. It's used on some other stuff, including the front diff in some Subarus.

And when I worked on bicycles, I built my own wheel with a fancy Campagnolo front hub I bought on eBay. It was beautiful polished aluminum but I wanted to rebuild it. It had these unique dust caps and I ended up scratching them trying to remove them with a common tools. Turns out there was a specialty tool just for this particular part. The hub was only a design for a couple of years. I paid a shop $5 just to take it off without scratching it more.



This was the tool to remove the dust cap:


Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: Hootbro] #3166546
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.


I appreciate good designs and point out poor ones regardless of who designs them.

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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.

Sure tough guy, come and get it LOL

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: hattaresguy] #3166759
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.


I appreciate good designs and point out poor ones regardless of who designs them.



Absolutely correct, this is the way it SHOULD BE.

Apologists need not apply.

I am a "fan" of VW products..... HOWEVER I am actually MORE critical of their design and engineering compared to other competing brands because HOPEFULLY consumer input does have an influence on the design of future products.

The companies will not respond to input if the consumer doesn't offer it up, and supplying it in a persistent manner as well is actually the best way to approach manufacturers. the squeaky wheel really does get the oil.

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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: hattaresguy] #3166846
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Some of you guys need your "man card" revoked whining about this. Acting like the very minimal extra care to remove skid plates and removing the cartridge filter is going to get your polo shirt and khaki pants dirty.

Jeez, put down your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and get both hands dirty and quit whining it is not like MB or BMW.

The splash shield under the Volvo V70 is BIG, hold up by 7-8 bolts. Remove it isn't bad but reinstall is pain in the bud.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #4976444
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I've been doing changes on our 2005 Toyota Avalon since 2005 and that car came with the cartridge-type filter. I use a 3/8 in drive ratchet to remove the cap and the plastic nipple to drain the filter housing. Then I grab the biggest Channellock I have and remove the housing (by the numerous scratches on the aluminum housing). I just bought a Motivx tool a couple year ago along with the drain hose you screw into the housing to drain it. Yeah a bit more work than the can filters and messier but not a show stopper.

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