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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3078449
07/27/13 10:22 PM
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Nothing beats the setup on the 2.2/2.4 GM Ecotec. Right on top of the engine, no special tools and not even a drop of oil when changing the cartridge.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3078455
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The cartridge filter housing should be on the top of the engine near the front, like the one in 2000 MB E430. It take less than 60 seconds to remove the filter holder, 1-2 minutes to replace the 4 o-rings and the cartridge filter.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: HTSS_TR] #3078602
07/28/13 07:03 AM
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Heh, good replies everybody.

Eric, those are great tips I'll be sure to follow next time, thanks. It is ironic that you said "it's not that complicated" and then spell out a procedure that is much, much more complicated than necessary on a normal setup wink The fact that you have to follow a procedure like that to change the filter remains unforgivable bop

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3078604
07/28/13 07:07 AM
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Same deal with my Mazda CX7 except I used a $5 cap wrench to remove the canister cap. With practive it is a 10 minute filter change job and no spilled oil. Ed


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3078781
07/28/13 11:32 AM
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I agree with Ed, every filter requires the right cap wrench, nothing special there. Its not a complicated change. I like it because there is less waste and no oil makes it to the garbage can. BTW, tightening the cap will not help it seal if it is leaking, there is no additional force put on the o-ring.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3078783
07/28/13 11:34 AM
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Love the setup on my vw, no getting under the car at all. Does not sound like I will like it when it comes time to deal with this on my Toyotas though.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: pennzoil_guru] #3079320
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Isn't it 64mm?


Any automotive problem can be fixed with a big enough hammer.
Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: lenjack] #3079510
07/29/13 04:58 AM
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I get a kick out of threads where people who should never be working on cars try to use all of the wrong tools, never consult a service manual and go attempt even the simplest maintenance unsuccessfully and then flame the manufacturer. LOL

3 minutes on Toyota Nation would have given the OP the necessary information. You can get an Assenmacher filter cartridge tool on Amazon. Then if you purchase the factory filter element you get the plastic adapter that allows you to drain the cartridge before unscrewing it.

This is all spelled out with pictures in the factory service manual and probably the vehicle owners manual.

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3079525
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Oh come now. What's the point of using a filter element that can only be gotten to under the vehicle?

I just checked on my Tundra, and it does not spell out how to change the engine oil, just how to check it. Same cartridge setup. I'm not entirely sure that one should be required to obtain a service manual in order to change the oil. That seems just a bit over the top, don't you think?

What's more asisine is Toyota's method for checking ATF level in their WS transmissions...

To be fair, it's not even the OP's vehicle, he was doing a favor for the MIL.


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2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 145k, ours
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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: lenjack] #3079538
07/29/13 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: lenjack
Isn't it 64mm?


Yes it is.
A 65mm (more common in the toolbox) will work, just adapt for the extra mm. Turn the cap slightly at an angle, put a small piece of sandpaper between the filter and socket, etc...

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: ChiTDI] #3079546
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Originally Posted By: ChiTDI
Originally Posted By: lenjack
Isn't it 64mm?


Yes it is.
A 65mm (more common in the toolbox) will work, just adapt for the extra mm. Turn the cap slightly at an angle, put a small piece of sandpaper between the filter and socket, etc...


Yep.. I was mistaken on that one. 65mm X 14 flute.


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Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3079550
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Originally Posted By: greenjp

So to whatever fool(s) at Toyota thought up this thing, go to [censored] shoot

ha ha.



Look on the bright side. It could have been a Toyota pickup where you had to remove a belly pan to get to the same filter.

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: supton] #3079569
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Originally Posted By: supton
Oh come now. What's the point of using a filter element that can only be gotten to under the vehicle?



You mean like 90% of the vehicles out there? Like I said. I get a kick out of people who should never be working on cars and then think it is "unfair" when they have to get the proper tools for the job. However, most all trades require specialized tools. Plus, checking the ATF level on a Toyota trans is simple...if you have the correct tools and know what you are doing.

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: greenjp] #3079572
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Here is the "mystery tool"

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015PK3AG


LOL

Re: Toyota oil filter housing rant [Re: JethroBodine] #3079592
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Originally Posted By: JethroBodine
Originally Posted By: supton
Oh come now. What's the point of using a filter element that can only be gotten to under the vehicle?



You mean like 90% of the vehicles out there? Like I said. I get a kick out of people who should never be working on cars and then think it is "unfair" when they have to get the proper tools for the job. However, most all trades require specialized tools. Plus, checking the ATF level on a Toyota trans is simple...if you have the correct tools and know what you are doing.


What can I say? The last 9 years I've been doing top-side oil changes on my VW. Once I started doing that, I've dreaded going back to having to crawl in the dirt.

Is checking the level that simple? Been a week or two since I read the proceedure. Off the top of my head:

-jumper two pins on the OBDII port together *OR* get a scan tool to monitor ATF temp.
-when the ATF is at 115F or thereabouts, and as long as the temperature is within a 7 degree F window (otherwise, let engine idle or cool until w/in this window):
-crawl under vehicle, remove check level bolt
-if the oil drips out, it is too low
-if it streams out, it is too high
-if the flow coming out is just right, then all is good.
-if you need to add oil, go find a hand pump to add via the fill hole, or find a tube to snake up into the engine bay, and of course watch out for hot exhaust.

I understand why Toyota did away with the dipstick, but that doesn't mean I agree with their decision to do so. Would any of us agree to no longer have an engine oil dipstick?

Last edited by supton; 07/29/13 07:16 AM.

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