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control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? #3017273 05/29/13 09:51 PM
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I need to replace the control arm bushings on my 02 Echo. a common problem. while I know that you can actually replace the bushings - most people just replace the entire control arm and ball joint. so... which brand is best? Dorman, Beck Arnley, Deeza, Mevotech, Raybestos, Moog, AC Delco. I'm inclined to choose Beck Arnley; based on reputation. oddly enough, only the Moog's have a lifetime warranty. Oh, so do the duralast (which are actually Dorman, for 3X the price)


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017280 05/29/13 09:59 PM
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Id shop by where it was made. I prefer Made in USA, Mexico,Canads,Japan,Germay or Sweeden over China.

I realize that China does produce some good stuff but I guess its engraved in my head to make a Chinese made suspension part a last resort


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017286 05/29/13 10:11 PM
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Id use the moog...


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017287 05/29/13 10:12 PM
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Moog was the one to get, back in the day, but then, so was Fram hide


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: LScowboy] #3017299 05/29/13 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: LScowboy
Moog was the one to get, back in the day, but then, so was Fram hide


LS is right. Moog hasn't impressed me lately with anything and I've gotten some terrible end links and ball joints from them in the past few years. The last time I bought a Moog part over a house brand was when the Moog offered a grease fitting while the house brand didn't, ironically, in most cases the house brand had a lifetime warranty while Moog offered 1 year. Research your specific application and decide what's best for you. YMMV.


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017330 05/29/13 11:16 PM
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I'm starting to feel like a Raybestos fan boy, but I haven't had any problems with their pro grade (or higher) chassis and break parts.


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017337 05/29/13 11:27 PM
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Is the ball joint part of the control arm or is it bolted/riveted/pressed in? If you can change the ball joint, I would stick with rebuilding your factory arms, who knows what kind of soup can steel he replacements will be made from.

I would go with Dorman, they're a good company and the stuff is priced right. I had a problem with some of their lug nuts once, a new box of them was overnighted, with another overnight label to ship the defective ones back. That's service and quality control right there.

I had bad luck with a set of moog control arm bushings, they failed in 2 years, the factory ones took 14.

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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017341 05/29/13 11:38 PM
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I have Moog ball joints that have some miles on them (maybe 40,000 miles). One side has some looseness and the other side has a boot that has become inverted slightly and is developing surface cracks. I bought some XRF ball joints after reading many reviews but have not installed them yet. They are made in Taiwan but the reveiws seem to blow away Moog.

http://www.xrfchassis.com/parts-balljoints.htm

Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017345 05/29/13 11:55 PM
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I've never had an issue with Raybestos.


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017358 05/30/13 12:39 AM
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Out of this list i would rate the parts like this based on my own experience buying parts sometimes many times a week.

Top tier. Use either one with 100% confidence.
Deeza. I like these parts more every time i use them.
Raybestos Pro. (only pro) Good quality.

Middle.
Bek&Arnley. A repackager. Many times it can be an nice OEM part, other times iffy. 50/50.
Moog. Racing to the bottom fast. I don't buy them anymore.

Bottom.
Dorman
Mevotech Absolute rubbish control arms, whatever you buy don't buy these.

AC Delco poses a bit of a dilemma to put in a category. Still owned by GM they are distributing many OEM parts for GM with a different part# with a shorter warranty and lower price.
For imports and non GM i am guessing they are a repackager, probably decent stuff though.
Better than Moog in every part i have seen.


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017386 05/30/13 02:37 AM
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Deeza. Also because it makes me think of that annoying dude from the Star Wars Prequels.


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Re: control arm and ball joint - which brand to buy? [Re: tomcat27] #3017454 05/30/13 06:59 AM
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Considering time and labor replacing the entire control arm assembly is always the best way to go. Bushing today, ball joint tomorrow, you know how it goes.

It's hard to find an exact OE replacement brand. Everyone on your list is a repackager. NAPA has an OE import parts line (Altrom) and you should give them a try. I have both German and Japanese Cars and have been able to source all the OE brands I needed through them. Auto Zone and places like that always make me feel like someone is going to ask me if I want fries with my order.
Is there a GM crossover for the Echo? If so AC Delco might be the exception.

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Forget rebuilding them, takes too much time. I have to disagree with others who are against MOOG, I have sold sooo many and had very few problems. Just about the worse problem I had with MOOG was a right hand thread tie rod end boxed as a left hand thread. Federal Mogul has offices in St Louis and I had calls the next day and returned the ball joint. We used to carry house brand, TRW and MOOG (TRW also made by Federal Mogul). My advice is that Dorman and Mevotech are ok on passenger cars. When you step up to SUVs, Vans and Trucks especially $ wheel drive, use the top of the line. I had my own experience recently, while driving with a friend in their F150 (4 wheel drive) the front passenger side lower ball joint snapped, just after we left the highway. A local shop had replaced it with a cheap Chinese part. Replacing that part, on the side of the road, in 105 heat was not fun. The Moog part listed exactly the problem in the paper work, and the Moog part designed to fix the known problem.

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Moog gets my vote. I know the quality has been dropping, but they still offer the best overall.

I was just looking at the Deeza website. Are all their products made in Turkey??

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Originally Posted By: Gabe

I was just looking at the Deeza website. Are all their products made in Turkey??


Yes, the vast majority of their parts are made in Turkey. They source some parts from other suppliers, but they claim those parts come from Europe, not China.

I recently bought some Deeza parts and was quite impressed with the quality. More pics/info in this thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2925508





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