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#3278039 - 02/11/14 01:00 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: a2gtinut]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: a2gtinut
9300 is available but it is $50 to mix with 4-5 liters of engine oil. Need to call them and ask for it.


Good to know.
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#3287428 - 02/19/14 04:38 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Registered: 04/29/10
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I put a can of Lubro Moly in the crankcase of my Venza last month. It is hard to determine, from the drivers seat, any performance enhansment. However, when is too much moly a bad thing? The quote for an internet site makes this statement...

"Also, molybdenum compounds in motor oils can degrade and
cause bearing corrosion and is particularly aggressive towards copper. In almost all cases, any engine oil
formula having "moly" will also contain a copper deactivator which will protect bearings from the moly
compounds. The only problem, the copper deactivator decomposes at relatively low temperatures and looses
it's potency after a few thousand miles, which can be seen in used oil analyses of moly rich oils having higher

than normal copper levels. Link Additionally, there is documentation in various SAE publications showing a
vast number of different species of moly friction modifiers, some providing better wear than fuel savings and
vice-versa, and unfortunately, there is no easy way to determine how a friction modified oil is formulated
other than to assume that a GF-4 or energy conserving oil is most likely to bias fuel savings for lower wear
protection . . ."

I would be interested in a discussion on the merits of the above quote.
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#3287459 - 02/19/14 05:21 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: Tron1]
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Originally Posted By: Tron1
I put a can of Lubro Moly in the crankcase of my Venza last month. It is hard to determine, from the drivers seat, any performance enhansment. However, when is too much moly a bad thing? The quote for an internet site makes this statement... "Also, molybdenum compounds in motor oils can degrade and
cause bearing corrosion and is particularly aggressive towards copper. In almost all cases... "

Just as a point of clarification, you are talking about Liqui-Moly Oil Additive product - the L-M MoS2 additive? This additive product was formerly known as L-M Anti Friction.

If you are referring to Liqui-Moly Ceratec, which was the subject of this thread, it does not appear to contain MoS2. The 'Liqui-Moly' part of this product's title is simply the company's current name.

If there's a moderator in the house, maybe he could make this a new thread.
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#3287559 - 02/19/14 06:50 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: dave5358]
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Thanks Dave for the info. I will attempt to repost in the appropriate thread.
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#3287561 - 02/19/14 06:51 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Registered: 11/11/10
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Go to the website,or read the back of a can. It's explained simply and completely.....and it works as advertised
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#3287580 - 02/19/14 07:06 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1944
Loc: USA
Here's a few links:

Cera Tec

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/en_3721.html?Opendocument&land=DE

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx2/3721%20Cera%20Tec_EN.pdf/$file/3721%20Cera%20Tec_EN.pdf


MoS2 Lubro Moly

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/en_1011.html?Opendocument&land=DE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qMJ1Fl1B77E


Additive Overview

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx/2D2A7C2D3D0CCA42C12573DA00315AAF/$file/5616.pdf

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#3288215 - 02/20/14 10:08 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: gus7]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: gus7
graphite is BAD news for a lub ...it wear down like a lapping job and ceramics ....[censored] worst than graphite pour in sand !!!



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#3288510 - 02/20/14 02:17 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Why would one add another borate when you already have something similar to this in fully formulated motor oils?


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#3288648 - 02/20/14 04:31 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Why would one add another borate when you already have something similar to this in fully formulated motor oils?


Borate Ester


^^^How do we know for sure that ALL fully formulated motor oils contain this already?? shrug
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#3288677 - 02/20/14 05:04 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: dailydriver]
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Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Why would one add another borate when you already have something similar to this in fully formulated motor oils?

Borate Ester


How do we know for sure that ALL fully formulated motor oils contain this already?


Well, you could look here. Sadly, the use (or not) of boron is all over the landscape - 2ppm or less in Lucas, Royal Purple, Pennzoil Platinum, up to 245ppm or more in Mobile Super Synthetic, Kendall GT-1 and Shell Formula. If you're a Pennzoil fan but have to have your daily boron, then get Pennzoil Ultra (152ppm); Mobil-1 checks in at 108ppm.
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#3349460 - 04/21/14 07:31 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Loc: NJ
I created an account here to ask a few questions on this product. Is liqui-moly ceratec OK to use with a magnetic drain plug? I am planning to change my oil soon and should I use this in conjuction with MOS2 when I do the oil change? Or should I just use ceratec and then on the next oil changes use MOS2 and use ceratec instead at every 30k miles? (Ceratec at every 30k miles and MOS2 every oil change?)


Edited by Jteran5 (04/21/14 07:32 PM)
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#3349650 - 04/21/14 09:57 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: Jteran5]
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Registered: 04/25/13
Posts: 669
Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: Jteran5
I created an account here to ask a few questions on this product. Is liqui-moly ceratec OK to use with a magnetic drain plug? I am planning to change my oil soon and should I use this in conjuction with MOS2 when I do the oil change? Or should I just use ceratec and then on the next oil changes use MOS2 and use ceratec instead at every 30k miles? (Ceratec at every 30k miles and MOS2 every oil change?)

No problem on magnetic drain plugs.

Why not stick with one product or the other and follow the label directions?

Both products - L-M Ceratec and L-M MoS2 Anti-Friction - have their followers and detractors. Ceratec provides wear protection by adding a ceramic coating to your engines friction surfaces. MoS2 fills in the pores of the metal. MoS2 has been in use for a much longer period and the industrial benefits of MoS2 are well known - automotive benefits less so. Ceratec is a new kid on the block, much more pricey and its benefits may last longer.

Big question: What are you trying to accomplish? If you have a specific goal you wish to accomplish (e.g. reduce oil consumption past the rings), then you may get a more meaningful response.

Please note that if this thread continues for any length of time, someone (who has never used either additive) will jump in and announce that you don't need either product. Strangely enough, they might be right if your engine is well ordered, gets regular oil changes, etc.
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#3349696 - 04/21/14 10:36 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: dave5358]
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Registered: 02/26/14
Posts: 234
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: Jteran5
I created an account here to ask a few questions on this product. Is liqui-moly ceratec OK to use with a magnetic drain plug? I am planning to change my oil soon and should I use this in conjuction with MOS2 when I do the oil change? Or should I just use ceratec and then on the next oil changes use MOS2 and use ceratec instead at every 30k miles? (Ceratec at every 30k miles and MOS2 every oil change?)

No problem on magnetic drain plugs.

Why not stick with one product or the other and follow the label directions?

Both products - L-M Ceratec and L-M MoS2 Anti-Friction - have their followers and detractors. Ceratec provides wear protection by adding a ceramic coating to your engines friction surfaces. MoS2 fills in the pores of the metal. MoS2 has been in use for a much longer period and the industrial benefits of MoS2 are well known - automotive benefits less so. Ceratec is a new kid on the block, much more pricey and its benefits may last longer.

Big question: What are you trying to accomplish? If you have a specific goal you wish to accomplish (e.g. reduce oil consumption past the rings), then you may get a more meaningful response.

Please note that if this thread continues for any length of time, someone (who has never used either additive) will jump in and announce that you don't need either product. Strangely enough, they might be right if your engine is well ordered, gets regular oil changes, etc.




Why does one need to have smoothing wrong to use a additive? This reasoning is getting old. I have nothing wrong, what I want to do is prevent less wear, and that what this is advertised to do. I like to take care of my things, nothing wrong with them, I am not trying to "solve" any problem, in fact I am trying to prevent problems.

I have used both extensively in all motorized applications, Im running mos2 in my bmw m3, after this run I am putting ceratec in it, I want to do a lab test before ceratec to see if it prevents a lot less wear. I run MoS2 every oil change after ceratec but this time wanted to do a before and after to see if I am actually preventing less wear.
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#3349721 - 04/21/14 11:05 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: dave5358]
Jteran5 Offline


Registered: 04/19/14
Posts: 13
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: dave5358

Why not stick with one product or the other and follow the label directions?

Both products - L-M Ceratec and L-M MoS2 Anti-Friction - have their followers and detractors. Ceratec provides wear protection by adding a ceramic coating to your engines friction surfaces. MoS2 fills in the pores of the metal. MoS2 has been in use for a much longer period and the industrial benefits of MoS2 are well known - automotive benefits less so. Ceratec is a new kid on the block, much more pricey and its benefits may last longer.

Big question: What are you trying to accomplish? If you have a specific goal you wish to accomplish (e.g. reduce oil consumption past the rings), then you may get a more meaningful response.

Please note that if this thread continues for any length of time, someone (who has never used either additive) will jump in and announce that you don't need either product. Strangely enough, they might be right if your engine is well ordered, gets regular oil changes, etc.


I just picked up a 2014 Subaru Sti. I want to get the most life out of it. I want the best protection for the engine. I figured that ceratec was a good additive to use every 30k as instructed and that the MoS2 was a good additive to use every oil change.


Edited by Jteran5 (04/21/14 11:07 PM)
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#3349758 - 04/22/14 12:13 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: Jteran5]
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Registered: 02/26/14
Posts: 234
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Jteran5
Originally Posted By: dave5358

Why not stick with one product or the other and follow the label directions?

Both products - L-M Ceratec and L-M MoS2 Anti-Friction - have their followers and detractors. Ceratec provides wear protection by adding a ceramic coating to your engines friction surfaces. MoS2 fills in the pores of the metal. MoS2 has been in use for a much longer period and the industrial benefits of MoS2 are well known - automotive benefits less so. Ceratec is a new kid on the block, much more pricey and its benefits may last longer.

Big question: What are you trying to accomplish? If you have a specific goal you wish to accomplish (e.g. reduce oil consumption past the rings), then you may get a more meaningful response.

Please note that if this thread continues for any length of time, someone (who has never used either additive) will jump in and announce that you don't need either product. Strangely enough, they might be right if your engine is well ordered, gets regular oil changes, etc.


I just picked up a 2014 Subaru Sti. I want to get the most life out of it. I want the best protection for the engine. I figured that ceratec was a good additive to use every 30k as instructed and that the MoS2 was a good additive to use every oil change.



You are doing the right thing. Reduce friction, reduce wear.....and the pro's are endless.
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