Difference between Magnatec and Edge?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Dec 17, 2012
Messages
748
Location
CA
Some Magnatec grades are full syn. What is the difference between them and Edge?
 
Magnatec is a semi synthetic or fully synthetic in the UK that does not have tight descriptive laws but not fully synthetic in Germany I believe. It has an added Ester that according to Castrol makes it stick to the engine internals when the engine is not running.

Edge has a more expensive additive package and appears to be a different base stock that tends to have OEM approvals for some of the harder to get approvals. Does anyone know if Edge is Grp 3 or higher, I assume Grp3 but that is a guess!

What Castrol also do in Europe is that they sell specific professional ranges of Magnatec to the dealer networks that appear to get all the harder to get approvals.

So we appear to have marketecture here in that the same product appears in different ranges when it suits Castrol and their customers.

Castrol are less than specific about the actual ingredients. Also as Magnatec is a European product there are very few people in the UK who do UOA's therefore very little published details for the posters here to examine. I will be doing two on the Magnatec 5W/30 later in the year and will post here.
 
Adding to the confusion is that there is Black Edge, Gold Edge, and then the replacement for Gold Edge, called Edge TFST.
 
I assume Edge Professional Longlife III 5W-30 and Edge Professional FST 5W-30 are the one and the same. Neither says "Vollsynthese" on the label. They only speak of FST-technology. As far as I know, it is a blend of III+IV+V. I don't think there is any oil that is VW504/507 and is only IV+V.

Edge 0W-30, 0W-40, 10W-60 all says vollsynthese but 10W-60 TWS not. All Magnatec-products I have seen says HC-Synthese on the label.

All Mobil 1 -products are labeled SHC-synthese.

https://oeldepot24.de/motoroel/motoroel-fuer-pkw/nach-hersteller/castrol.html
 
I was looking around at C3 oils a while ago and discovered the Castrol Edge C3 would appear to be identical to Castrol Magnatec C3, I think the viscosity I was looking at was either 5w30 or 5w40.

Magnatec Professional is mainly a trade product from what I have read though some Ford dealers stock one for the new Focus and Fiesta Ecoboost engines, I think it is either a 0w20 or 5w20.

Edge is the top spec product in Europe.

Magnatec is the middle tier.

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I was looking around at C3 oils a while ago and discovered the Castrol Edge C3 would appear to be identical to Castrol Magnatec C3, I think the viscosity I was looking at was either 5w30 or 5w40.

Magnatec Professional is mainly a trade product from what I have read though some Ford dealers stock one for the new Focus and Fiesta Ecoboost engines, I think it is either a 0w20 or 5w20.

Edge is the top spec product in Europe.

Magnatec is the middle tier.

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.


You seem to have written everything you know that is related to the words "Castrol", "Magnatec", and "Edge".

Did you ever read the original question and consider whether you had a worthwhile answer to it, or could you not resist putting your hand up as you used to in class as a little boy and say "Miss, Miss, I know! Miss, I know. Miss!"
 
There are varying degrees of "full syn", from all group III (hydrocracked), through mixes of groups III and IV (PAO) to all group IV. You can also throw in some of the group V types as well (note: contrary to popular belief, group V is not a synthetic category - it is a category that covers a wide range of base oils, including some synthetics).

So it is possible to have differentiated performance amongst a group of oils all described as "full synthetic".

As for what the specific formulation differences are between Edge and Magnatec variants.... well, that's not something that is going to appear on an internet discussion forum.
 
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I was looking around at C3 oils a while ago and discovered the Castrol Edge C3 would appear to be identical to Castrol Magnatec C3, I think the viscosity I was looking at was either 5w30 or 5w40.

Magnatec Professional is mainly a trade product from what I have read though some Ford dealers stock one for the new Focus and Fiesta Ecoboost engines, I think it is either a 0w20 or 5w20.

Edge is the top spec product in Europe.

Magnatec is the middle tier.

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.


You seem to have written everything you know that is related to the words "Castrol", "Magnatec", and "Edge".

Did you ever read the original question and consider whether you had a worthwhile answer to it, or could you not resist putting your hand up as you used to in class as a little boy and say "Miss, Miss, I know! Miss, I know. Miss!"


Sorry, what exactly are you talking about.

Do you have mental health issues?

If not, should really get a mature adult to have a look at the drivel you post.

But just so you know.

The clue would be in you wanted to know about Magnatec and Edge and if there are differences.

If you bother to look on the Castrol site, UK one as this is the European section, you will see that the data sheets for the two oils in C3 are identical.

If you can't see the significance considering you ask about differences then that is an issue for you not me.

Though the simple fact that Edge is more expensive than Magnatec on a like for like basis, other than when on special offer, should perhaps indicate that Edge is very likely a better product than Magnatec.

Now go ask an adult to explain things for you.
 
Last edited:
Richard, I asked now a couple of times why, when someone asks a question with some words that you recognize, do you just reply with a brain(?) dump of everything you know about the topic.

In reply, you've again asked me what it is that I am talking about!!!

Well, slowly again, just for you, I asked about the difference between Edge and Magnatec.

Below is 80% of the text from your reply. Hint: it has nothing to do with the question, it is just your brain dump triggered by the word "Castrol". You really know how to ramble, don't you?

Originally Posted By: bigjl

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.
 
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Richard, I asked now a couple of times why, when someone asks a question with some words that you recognize, do you just reply with a brain(?) dump of everything you know about the topic.

In reply, you've again asked me what it is that I am talking about!!!

Well, slowly again, just for you, I asked about the difference between Edge and Magnatec.

Below is 80% of the text from your reply. Hint: it has nothing to do with the question, it is just your brain dump triggered by the word "Castrol". You really know how to ramble, don't you?

Originally Posted By: bigjl

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.


Are you talking to me?

My name is not and has never been Richard.

Hope you aren't trying to be clever amd think such a childish bit of name calling would actually concern an adult.

I would also be a little concerned about your ability to assess percentages.

Though from your rambling perhaps this to be expected.

If you don't want comments posted up on a thread, particularly if you start it with an ambiguous two sentence question.

Then there are a couple of options open to you.

One would be to start your own forum.

The other would be to ask a sensible question in the first place.

And also if you are unable to understand what somebody has posted, perhaps due to not having the ability to concentrate for more than a few seconds, then please get somebody a little older and mature to read it explain what was actually said.

Having a pop at somebody, in the true keyboard warrior style as you have, is best done if you are correct.

I will again refer you to the FACT that on the Castrol site for Europe, check where you have started the thread, C3 Magnatec and C3 Edge are identical if the data sheets provided are up to date.

If you don't think that is a statement relevant to a question about wether Edge is better than Magnatec the. I think everybody is wasting valuable time and effort responding to your drivel.
 
in russia there were a lot of claims from drivers regarding to Castrol Magnatec oils. in fact CM line are mid-SAPs oils which shown bad results if you use high sulfur gasoline or you drive in traffic jam. but since middle of last year Castrol offers Magnatec Diesel C3 for diesel cars and Castrol Magnatec A3/B4 (full SAPs) for gasoline cars in Russia. A3/B4 was appeared in red colors on labels of Castrol Magnatec. I do not know about real situation in EU or US)))
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I was looking around at C3 oils a while ago and discovered the Castrol Edge C3 would appear to be identical to Castrol Magnatec C3, I think the viscosity I was looking at was either 5w30 or 5w40.

Magnatec Professional is mainly a trade product from what I have read though some Ford dealers stock one for the new Focus and Fiesta Ecoboost engines, I think it is either a 0w20 or 5w20.

Edge is the top spec product in Europe.

Magnatec is the middle tier.

GTX is probably aimed more at older cars and those who just want to add the cheapest oil they can find.

Though I suspect GTX would be the perfect oil for the RX8, most specialist for the rotary lump seem to advise a 10w40 or 15w40 mineral oil, though some say you hydro cracked oils.

One thing I will say about Castrol products is I have used them for many years in my old mk3 diesel Mondeo that did starship miles, my current V50 and the BiL's Vectra with a 2.2 direct injected petrol engine.

Most Volvo and Ford dealers seem to use Castrol oils, apparently the Ford badged oils you can buy in Ford dealers are Castrol also.


You seem to have written everything you know that is related to the words "Castrol", "Magnatec", and "Edge".

Did you ever read the original question and consider whether you had a worthwhile answer to it, or could you not resist putting your hand up as you used to in class as a little boy and say "Miss, Miss, I know! Miss, I know. Miss!"


Sorry, what exactly are you talking about.

Do you have mental health issues?

If not, should really get a mature adult to have a look at the drivel you post.

But just so you know.

The clue would be in you wanted to know about Magnatec and Edge and if there are differences.

If you bother to look on the Castrol site, UK one as this is the European section, you will see that the data sheets for the two oils in C3 are identical.

If you can't see the significance considering you ask about differences then that is an issue for you not me.

Though the simple fact that Edge is more expensive than Magnatec on a like for like basis, other than when on special offer, should perhaps indicate that Edge is very likely a better product than Magnatec.

Now go ask an adult to explain things for you.



Very correct, but the situation is confusing because Castrol have now produced a turbo diesel C3 rated version of their normal Edge 5/40. I wonder how different that is to the C3 version of Magnetec 5/40, as I think they are both listed as HC synthetics. I will post a UOA of the Castrol TD 5/40 later this year, so if some good person could post one from using the C3 magnetec we might get some idea of the different additives.
I really don't understand why the engine oil companies can't post a VOA with their data sheets, although one reason might be that they do change the contents on occasions.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: EddieCairns
Magnatec is a semi synthetic or fully synthetic in the UK that does not have tight descriptive laws but not fully synthetic in Germany I believe. It has an added Ester that according to Castrol makes it stick to the engine internals when the engine is not running.

Edge has a more expensive additive package and appears to be a different base stock that tends to have OEM approvals for some of the harder to get approvals. Does anyone know if Edge is Grp 3 or higher, I assume Grp3 but that is a guess!

What Castrol also do in Europe is that they sell specific professional ranges of Magnatec to the dealer networks that appear to get all the harder to get approvals.

So we appear to have marketecture here in that the same product appears in different ranges when it suits Castrol and their customers.

Castrol are less than specific about the actual ingredients. Also as Magnatec is a European product there are very few people in the UK who do UOA's therefore very little published details for the posters here to examine. I will be doing two on the Magnatec 5W/30 later in the year and will post here.


Marketecture.

Good one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top