any filter that flows as well as the PCX for s2000

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i plan to order a pack of PCX filters for my newly acquired S2000. i was just curious if any of the aftermarket companies have produced a filter that meets the flow specs of the PCX for the f20/f22 engine?
 
Thats a really good question, i think a couple s2k owners could chime in.

To be more general. Being that a OEM filter is designed to meet the requirements of the engine specifically (im talking flow here). Why wouldnt an OEM filter be the filter of choice for any application?
 
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I don't know if Baldwin B7042 meets the flow specs of the PCX-004. A member use a large filter Baldwin B7042 in his S2000, he seems to like it.

Originally Posted By: rrounds
I have a '06 S2000 and I use a oversize oil filter(Baldwin B7042), I go 7.5k miles on the oil and change the oil filter every other oil change.

ROD
 
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Thats a really good question, i think a couple s2k owners could chime in.

To be more general. Being that a OEM filter is designed to meet the requirements of the engine specifically (im talking flow here). Why wouldnt an OEM filter be the filter of choice for any application?


I think most OEM oil filters aren't engineered for certain engines. Chrysler comes to mind, MO-090 is the required filter for 2.7l, 3.5l, 5.7l, and 6.1l (not sure about 6.4l). Clearly all three of these engines are very different and all range significantly in power output. Yet they all require the same filter. Ford is the same way, FL-400 is the filter of choice for a large number of Ford engines.
 
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Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Thats a really good question, i think a couple s2k owners could chime in.

To be more general. Being that a OEM filter is designed to meet the requirements of the engine specifically (im talking flow here). Why wouldnt an OEM filter be the filter of choice for any application?


I think most OEM oil filters aren't engineered for certain engines. Chrysler comes to mind, MO-090 is the required filter for 2.7l, 3.5l, 5.7l, and 6.1l (not sure about 6.4l). Clearly all three of these engines are very different and all range significantly in power output. Yet they all require the same filter. Ford is the same way, FL-400 is the filter of choice for a large number of Ford engines.


Right... same with honda too (except s2000). However could this be because of the oil pump pressures and various other things im not aware of?
 
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Right... same with honda too (except s2000). However could this be because of the oil pump pressures and various other things im not aware of?


What is the flow rate of the S2000 oil pump? There's a difference between flow rate and oil pressure. You can have high pressure and little flow, or low pressure and lots of flow. All depends on the flow resistance of the engine and the volumetric output of the oil pump.

Most filters will flow way more than an engine's oil pump can put out. Here's an example. The engine's oiling circuit is typically about 15 times more restrictive than an oil filter.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Right... same with honda too (except s2000). However could this be because of the oil pump pressures and various other things im not aware of?


What is the flow rate of the S2000 oil pump? There's a difference between flow rate and oil pressure. You can have high pressure and little flow, or low pressure and lots of flow. All depends on the flow resistance of the engine and the volumetric output of the oil pump.

Most filters will flow way more than an engine's oil pump can put out. Here's an example. The engine's oiling circuit is typically about 15 times more restrictive than an oil filter.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451



I see, hence why the pressure is built. Ok question answer, doesnt really matter with the oil filter.
 
I've long since sold my S2000 and I've been out of s2ki.com for a while now. However, when I left off years ago there was still a large amount of debate over which filter was best.

The bottom line is, a lot of guys like to run an aftermarket filter and the only thing I ever heard them say was "I do it, and I don't have problems." If you're like me, that kind of anecdotal reassurance is worth exactly what you paid for it.

The S2000 is one of the only modern engines produced by Honda that still specs an oil filter separate from the rest of the Honda fleet. I believe there is a reason for this, and just comparing the filters side by side makes it pretty obvious to me. The PCX 004 is a very stout filter, the filter medium is of high quality and the walls of the filter are very thick.

The oil pressures and flow potential of an oil pump designed to not cavitate at 9000RPM are a somewhat unique requirement on a modern mass produced car. I truly believe this is why Honda continues to spec a different filter for the S2000.

Could you run any number of aftermarket filters on your car and never encounter an issue? I'm sure that you could. But when you can buy an over built, quality, OEM produced filter online for the same cost as a K&N or Mobil1 one-size-fits all filter....I would choose the OEM solution every time.

I usually ordered the filters by the case online, along with some other OEM stuff to help offset shipping. While you're at it, order some of the copper crush washers for the differential drain/fill plugs as well. You'll need em.

Hope you enjoy the car. Mine was a 2003 and I absolutely loved it. It was one of the easiest cars to maintain that I have ever owned. It was also one of the most reliable.
 
Originally Posted By: 90crvtec
I've long since sold my S2000 and I've been out of s2ki.com for a while now. However, when I left off years ago there was still a large amount of debate over which filter was best.

The bottom line is, a lot of guys like to run an aftermarket filter and the only thing I ever heard them say was "I do it, and I don't have problems." If you're like me, that kind of anecdotal reassurance is worth exactly what you paid for it.

The S2000 is one of the only modern engines produced by Honda that still specs an oil filter separate from the rest of the Honda fleet. I believe there is a reason for this, and just comparing the filters side by side makes it pretty obvious to me. The PCX 004 is a very stout filter, the filter medium is of high quality and the walls of the filter are very thick.

The oil pressures and flow potential of an oil pump designed to not cavitate at 9000RPM are a somewhat unique requirement on a modern mass produced car. I truly believe this is why Honda continues to spec a different filter for the S2000.

Could you run any number of aftermarket filters on your car and never encounter an issue? I'm sure that you could. But when you can buy an over built, quality, OEM produced filter online for the same cost as a K&N or Mobil1 one-size-fits all filter....I would choose the OEM solution every time.

I usually ordered the filters by the case online, along with some other OEM stuff to help offset shipping. While you're at it, order some of the copper crush washers for the differential drain/fill plugs as well. You'll need em.

Hope you enjoy the car. Mine was a 2003 and I absolutely loved it. It was one of the easiest cars to maintain that I have ever owned. It was also one of the most reliable.


Mine is a 2004. So far I'm enjoying it. The build quality seems excellent and at 69k miles it seems very tight. I plan to use the PCX filter, I was just curious if any s2000 owners knew of a good aftermarket filter that meets the spec. The previous owner who put 56 of the 69k miles on it used 10w30 M1 EP and an OCOD every 7k miles. The car runs very smooth and quiet and looks immaculate looking through the fill hole.

I did order extra washers for the tranny and differential. I just changed the diff with synpower 75w90 and the tranny with Honda MTF. I plan to just change both every 10k miles or so since its easy to do and cost less than 30$ to change both.

I also replaced the air filter and cabin air filter both with genuine Honda filters.
 
Originally Posted By: donnyj08

I did order extra washers for the tranny and differential. I just changed the diff with synpower 75w90 and the tranny with Honda MTF. I plan to just change both every 10k miles or so since its easy to do and cost less than 30$ to change both.


10K oil changes on the transmission and differential are too soon unless you're racing the car or otherwise really hard on those components.
 
im really easy on the car, mostly highway driven. from what i read online, guys are constantly changing out these fluids on the s2000. maybe some of the s2000 owners on here will chime in with their recommended intervals.

the diff holds less than a qt and the tranny a little less than 2. i got 1.8 qts in mine today and it was running out the hole. the diff was running out at about a qt. perhaps the small capacities are the reason some of the guys at S2K.com are changin fluid so often?
 
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
wow, that napa filter is super small. the baldwin filter is pretty good size, im assuming its and oversized unit?

Yes, its big. Over twice as large as the stock Honda PCX filter, I put six qt's of oil in the car and call it good. With it being as large as it is, it makes it very easy to put on or when taken it off. You can get the B202 filter here and if you buy 6 the shipping is free.
http://www.truckhelp.com/parts/baldwin-b202/
Six of the Baldwin oil filters will last me 80 to 90k miles.

ROD
 
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Originally Posted By: donnyj08
im really easy on the car, mostly highway driven. from what i read online, guys are constantly changing out these fluids on the s2000. maybe some of the s2000 owners on here will chime in with their recommended intervals.

the diff holds less than a qt and the tranny a little less than 2. i got 1.8 qts in mine today and it was running out the hole. the diff was running out at about a qt. perhaps the small capacities are the reason some of the guys at S2K.com are changin fluid so often?

I run a mix(50/50) of M1 75/140 and M1 75/90 in the rear end(have done this on my over the road truck and all my cars(motorcycles to) that take gear lube.

I run Honda MTF or the GM lube(don't remember the p/n) in the trans. I change them both out at 30k miles. I don't track my car but if you look at my pics you will see I do like to have fun.

ROD
 
As for the air filter, I would get a good non-oiled air filter. Now the fun stuff, how do you know when to change the air filter? This will tell you
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIX-24801/
Every truck(class 8) that I drove had one and I run them on my cars to. Very easy to install.
I don't like to waste money so I use those on my cars. If the gauge does not show enough restriction after 5 years(no matter how many miles) I change the filter. I have gotten over 60k miles on the air filter on my Bonneville when the o/m says to change it every 25k miles, so that little $15 gauge has saved me more than enough money to pay for themselves many times over.

This is what Jim Allen says about these air filter restriction gauges

"An air filter restriction gauge is the only reliable, objective way you can tell when the filter is reaching a point where it needs to be changed. Because the level of dirt in the air is constantly changing according to the driving environment, any other means of determination is just guesswork. It's really that simple. You make a valid point about the gauge cost vs filter replacement, but If it doubles or triples the working life of your filters, the gauge could pay for itself.

PLUS... you CAN change your filter too often and harm your engine in the long term. Air filters have two efficiency ratings, initial and final. The filter gets more efficient as it loads up. According to an air filter specialist at Parker Filtration I interviewed, 90 percent of the amount of dirt that will pass thru a filter in it's operational life will do so in the first 10 percent of use. A good filter might start at 97-98 % efficiency but in a few thousand miles, will reach 99% plus. One or two percent doesn't seem like a big whoop until you consider two percent is a 50% decrease in the amount of junk getting into your engine. Parker has a great training slideshow that shows the actual amount of dirt in this situation... sitting in a pile."

Here is where I mounted the gauge on my S
http://s188.beta.photobucket.com/user/rodrounds/library/Honda Intake

ROD
 
i appreciate all your help. i changed the air filter because it was the original filter that had about 69k miles on it. i replaced it with a honda filter.

the diff i filled with 75w90 valvoline synpower, and the tranny with honda MTF.

what do you run for oil? this car has used M1 10w30 EP for the last 56k miles.
 
If your engine doesn't burn or use oil, then the M1 10/30 is a very good oil. I run M1 0/40 and I don't use 1/8 qt in 7500 miles. So if you do use some oil you might want to run a little thicker oil like the 0/40. I run my car in below 0 temps(but not often) and in the Summer it gets very hot 110 deg. and I have found that the M1 0/40 works for me.

ROD
 
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Originally Posted By: 90crvtec
I've long since sold my S2000 and I've been out of s2ki.com for a while now. However, when I left off years ago there was still a large amount of debate over which filter was best.

The bottom line is, a lot of guys like to run an aftermarket filter and the only thing I ever heard them say was "I do it, and I don't have problems." If you're like me, that kind of anecdotal reassurance is worth exactly what you paid for it.

The S2000 is one of the only modern engines produced by Honda that still specs an oil filter separate from the rest of the Honda fleet. I believe there is a reason for this, and just comparing the filters side by side makes it pretty obvious to me. The PCX 004 is a very stout filter, the filter medium is of high quality and the walls of the filter are very thick.

The oil pressures and flow potential of an oil pump designed to not cavitate at 9000RPM are a somewhat unique requirement on a modern mass produced car. I truly believe this is why Honda continues to spec a different filter for the S2000.

Could you run any number of aftermarket filters on your car and never encounter an issue? I'm sure that you could. But when you can buy an over built, quality, OEM produced filter online for the same cost as a K&N or Mobil1 one-size-fits all filter....I would choose the OEM solution every time.

I usually ordered the filters by the case online, along with some other OEM stuff to help offset shipping. While you're at it, order some of the copper crush washers for the differential drain/fill plugs as well. You'll need em.

Hope you enjoy the car. Mine was a 2003 and I absolutely loved it. It was one of the easiest cars to maintain that I have ever owned. It was also one of the most reliable.


Mine is a 2004. So far I'm enjoying it. The build quality seems excellent and at 69k miles it seems very tight. I plan to use the PCX filter, I was just curious if any s2000 owners knew of a good aftermarket filter that meets the spec. The previous owner who put 56 of the 69k miles on it used 10w30 M1 EP and an OCOD every 7k miles. The car runs very smooth and quiet and looks immaculate looking through the fill hole.

I did order extra washers for the tranny and differential. I just changed the diff with synpower 75w90 and the tranny with Honda MTF. I plan to just change both every 10k miles or so since its easy to do and cost less than 30$ to change both.

I also replaced the air filter and cabin air filter both with genuine Honda filters.



I've owned my 2006 S2000 since it was new and it currently has 10,000 miles on it.

I've changed the oil yearly using the green coloured German Castrol 0W-30 and the OEM Honda S2000 filter made by Toyo-Riki and would contine to use these filters if they were still availble (not the case anymore). My recent filter of choice for this car are the Mobil1 filters which Mobil claims as being good for 15,000 miles of use.

I've changed the transmission fluid using Honda's excellent motor oil like OEM fluid at 5,000 miles and will change it again at 10,000 miles this spring. I plan to change the differential's fluid at 15,000 miles or next year which ever comes first.

As to Mobil1 oil: my M5 and this oil did not like each other (engine was quite noisy)so I avoid Mobil1 in motor oil.
 
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