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Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] #2935582
03/11/13 05:35 PM
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Going through my stash. First up is a perforated filter that I think came off the Subaru way back.

Defense DL3593A

Honeywell
Consumer Products Group
Danbury, CT 06810-5109
Made in USA

Imported by
Honeywell
Stratford, ON, N5A 6V4

http://imgur.com/a/jUl9F










Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935604
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A Fram in any other can is still a Fram. POS. (unless it's an Ultra)


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935611
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Metal looks very thin .


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935638
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That's just one sad looking filter.


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935649
03/11/13 06:31 PM
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no joke.. the defense held up better than the OCOD when I used them on neighbor's 95 civic..


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935650
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Ewwww but always love to see filter pics!

I'm afraid this is what the Canadian Tire Motomasters are. Any idea what the OCI was?


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: nitehawk55] #2935666
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Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Metal looks very thin .

It's definitely fighting for the thin-is-in award amongst my filters. Has the Denso and Mahle beat by about 30% I'd say.

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: cp3] #2935672
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Originally Posted By: cp3
Any idea what the OCI was?

No I don't and I don't even know where it came from but I have a couple guesses. You can tell but the lack of deposit in the can, and the oil colour, that it wasn't on for very long. I probably yanked it as soon as I saw it.

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935673
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No particular fan of this type construction but to be fair, wondering if this was a short tripper vehicle, or some reason for excess moisture intrusion?

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935730
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Steady daily-drives to work (25-40min trip). No extreme use and there's absolutely NO excuse for the media to perforate.

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2935813
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I'm new to filter dissection.

Is this Defense filter missing a spring? (saw it on other brands).

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: snuffy300] #2935906
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Originally Posted By: snuffy300
I'm new to filter dissection.

Is this Defense filter missing a spring? (saw it on other brands).


It's the silver metal piece with the plastic bypass valve in it.

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2936876
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I agree the perforations are not acceptable, however the extreme waviness here seems like it could indicate some moisture or coolant intrusion. Even for a Defense filter which the bottom feeder of the Fram fiber end cap line, the waviness looks excessive to me. JMO.

Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2938031
03/13/13 09:20 PM
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Where is KEVGUY, don't fear the orange can!
Wonder why people don't care for them!
Cheap pos filters in any color!


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Re: Defense DL3593A - Media Failure [cut-open] [Re: martinq] #2939008
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Something extreme destroyed this filter, maybe excess long OCI or moisture. Really is meaningless without the OCI length. I used FRAM in the 80's an 90's at 3-4K OCI's, cut many open, and never had any look distorted. Point is every filter has a wear out time.

I am finding some distortion/waviness that concerns me with P1 PL10241 with 8-9K OCI's. Currently trying a extra long PL20195.

Last edited by mr_diy; 03/14/13 08:04 PM.

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