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Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? #2786988
10/29/12 07:08 AM
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Fred H. Offline OP
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I'd really like to know, because I'm paying nearly $6 a qt for what I believe is true PAO based synthetic. I use the 5w-30 in my car and the 15w-50 in my bike.

My feeling is that if Mobil One has changed over to a Group III oil, then I'll stop buying it, and look for a less expensive oil. I don't mind paying extra for Mobil One if it is indeed a PAO based oil, but if it isn't then I don't see why I should continue to pay extra for it.

Can anyone provide a definitive answer on what Mobil One uses for base stock, PAO or group III?

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2786992
10/29/12 07:15 AM
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Isn't performance more important than what it is made of


2004 Prius; 118K; ALM
2007 Yaris 89K ATM
2006 B2300;135K;ALM


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Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2786994
10/29/12 07:20 AM
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The answer to that is M1 is a blend of about 13 different types of base oils. Afaik, PAO and Esters are a part of that blend. I highly recommend the 0w30 weight M1 AFE if you are using 5w30 atm. Especially if warranty isnt a concern. Seems it has a higher percentage of PAO according to MSDS data.

Try searching, there recently have been a few discussions about M1 formulation and has some good feedback in those threads. Try google, " bobistheoilguy M1 PAO Formulation ". Should give you plenty of threads to read up on.


2013 Kia Optima SX-L : Napa Syn 5w30 + PL14459
2015 Chrysler 200S : Maxlife Full Syn 5w20 + NAPA 2100010
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2786997
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I also thought it was PAO based, but read on here it isn't since a recent reformulation.

But as already mentioned it still meets the same specs.

Must admit I am trying a different oil on the wife's Clio next OCI as I have only ran ELF once and the rest were Mobil 1 I don't really know what difference it will make, going over to 5w40 or 10w40 from 0w40. Though Mobil 1 is still a good oil if it meets yours specs, I am just curious if there is fact in this rumour that some engines are noisier on Mobil 1, soon find out!


16 S350d LWB 25k Mobil Super 3000 XE 5w30
17 Smart ForFour Auto 6.5k Mobil 1 0w40 FS
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: simple_gifts] #2787000
10/29/12 07:43 AM
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Fred H. Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Isn't performance more important than what it is made of


I don't want to get into a debate about performance or what oil is best. All I want to know is if Mobil One is still PAO based or not.

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787003
10/29/12 07:47 AM
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It is very short sighted to pick an oil because you demand that it have X basestock.

Especially if you cannot specifically quantify by UOA or other analytical result, why you need PAO, ester, etc.

The "value proposition" argument really just doesnt cut it.

I can appreciate that we all want the best value for our money, but utilizing one chemical basestock as that basis is just silly.

What performance aspect are you trying to maximize?

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: JHZR2] #2787014
10/29/12 08:07 AM
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Fred H. Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It is very short sighted to pick an oil because you demand that it have X basestock.

Especially if you cannot specifically quantify by UOA or other analytical result, why you need PAO, ester, etc.

The "value proposition" argument really just doesnt cut it.

I can appreciate that we all want the best value for our money, but utilizing one chemical basestock as that basis is just silly.

What performance aspect are you trying to maximize?


All I'm asking for is an answer to a very simple question. I'm not looking for everyones opinion on how I should choose an oil.

I just want to know if Mobil One is still made purley from PAO basestocks like it used to be in the past.

Last edited by Fred H.; 10/29/12 08:08 AM.
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: JHZR2] #2787016
10/29/12 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It is very short sighted to pick an oil because you demand that it have X basestock.

Especially if you cannot specifically quantify by UOA or other analytical result, why you need PAO, ester, etc.

The "value proposition" argument really just doesnt cut it.

I can appreciate that we all want the best value for our money, but utilizing one chemical basestock as that basis is just silly.

What performance aspect are you trying to maximize?


I think a little respect is in order here, and deserved for the OP same as what you would demand for yourself.

An explanation is not owed, nor required. He simply wants to know about the formulation. It is not necessary to engage in The Inquisition to simply answer the question.
shrug


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787018
10/29/12 08:15 AM
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Pablo may know, but I doubt any oil is 100% PAO today. As for M1 M1, it's the best performing M1 oil I have used in the decades I have used their product. Blends of base stock actually provide a better lubricant than straight this or that.


2007 Ford Fusion 243,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 71K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787022
10/29/12 08:18 AM
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I don't like to use Mobil 1 any longer and i was a huge fan of their 0w40. After reading this you can see why.

Quote:
What is the communication strategy?
 With the exception of Germany, this reformulation will be invisible to
consumers and B2B customers.
Claims are identical with the exception of some now obsolete or soon to
be obsolete claims
Performance of new formulations are equivalent to current formulations
 Testing is underway to provide read-across of current marketing
claims to new formulations
 Review will take place of current marketing literature to ensure
accuracy of specific claims to new formulations (e.g. if we quote
actual pour point values then this would need to be updated).
There will be no proactive customer communication relating to this
reformulation. However, an internal briefing document and Q&A has
been prepared to allow sales to respond in the unlikely event of a
customer question.
 Due to the unique definition of synthetic in Germany (Synthetic = 100%
PAO) this reformulation is visible to the consumer and B2B customers.
A more proactive communication is being prepared for German use


In other words we changed the formula and wont answer any questions about it.
Because the Germans have this law protecting them from shenanigans like this we need to spin a bald faced lie, put some smoke and mirrors up and come up with some half baked marketing scheme called SHC technology.
I could give rats rear if it performs the same or not, this company (they are not alone) is putting one over and are unethical as a bast...
I don't like to knowingly reward companies like this by giving them my $$$.

PU is PAO/GTL a true synthetic and priced almost the same.
I try to use it whenever possible and when their 0w40 becomes more available there will be no more Mobil 1 in my garage.
Personally i am liking Shell products more than ever.

This is the bottom line.
If i buy a gold watch and get a heavy gold plated stainless watch with the same movement instead some here on BITOG would say it makes no difference.
It keeps time with the same accuracy, it sure looks the same and because the plating is so thick it will never wear off so its the same or equal.
Okay fine but will you pay $1500 an ounce for it? And if you did would you just accept it or sue them for fraud?
Not saying folks should sue the oil company but you get the point.

hide


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Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787023
10/29/12 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Fred H.
I just want to know if Mobil One is still made purley from PAO basestocks like it used to be in the past.

It is not. And it has never been. No oil out there is made purely from PAO.


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'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787024
10/29/12 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Fred H.

I just want to know if Mobil One is still made purley from PAO basestocks like it used to be in the past.


No. While Mobil 1 silver does contain PAO, it isn't the dominate basestock.

What everybody is trying to tell you is that it doesn't make a major difference.

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Trav] #2787028
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Originally Posted By: Trav
PU is PAO/GTL a true synthetic and priced almost the same.
I try to use it whenever possible and when their 0w40 becomes more available there will be no more Mobil 1 in my garage.
Personally i am liking Shell products more than ever.

Except that when on sale (which is often), M1 0w-40 is actually less expensive than the comparable PU 5w-40.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787032
10/29/12 08:27 AM
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Fred H. Offline OP
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What does PU stand for?

Re: Is Mobil One PAO or Group III based??? [Re: Fred H.] #2787033
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What Trav said up there^^^. Exactly. Every word of it.

Originally Posted By: Trav
I don't like to knowingly reward companies like this by giving them my $$$.
This is precisely why I stopped using ExMo products some years ago. M1 may be the best oil on the planet, but it won't be in my crankcase again.


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