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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2788465
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I tried the link. It took me to a book. What are the cliffnotes on this stuff,or polymer esters as a whole.
Educate me please


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: Clevy] #2788514
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I am no expert but what I read is that the Polymer Esters in the Book show they are an effective anti wear oil.

Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2788515
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Quote:
What is 35 cST in layman words 50 Weight ?




http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2788521
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Originally Posted By: DanMiller
I am no expert but what I read is that the Polymer Esters in the Book show they are an effective anti wear oil.

Alright. I wonder at what ratio it has to be to be effective,and what kind of wear reduction is to be expected,and how long is it effective for.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: Clevy] #2788537
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hy-per lube Zinc replacement is made by either Akzo or Italian company Italmatch KETJENLUBE 135 ( Found that in a a BITOG Post ) I haven't found much about that product but it looks like hy-per lube just renames it and puts it in a fancy bottle.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2295242

http://www.italmatch.it/cm/articoli/Arese%20brochure%2001.pdf ( link was down but it up now )

www.optimal.co.th/uploads/Lube%20Oil%20News%20Vol%2011.pdf ( ketjenlube 135 )

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #2788544
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I read the Viscosity Charts but don't I need to know the temp ?

Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2788545
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Chemically speaking, these esters are co-polymers of alphaolefins and dicarboxylic acids which are esterified with various alcohols and are shear-stable and virtually smokeless.

I have spoken about these esters previously as those esters which aid in the reduction of ZDDP content and do not show up in VOA/UOA's.

There is one oil mfg that's using these esters with PAO and has no ZDDP whatsoever.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #2788561
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I have read that Ketjenlube is used in German Castrol 0W30 I am not sure how true that is but I read it in a few places. It sounds like Hy-per Lube Zinc Replacement is a safe product to use they recomment 12oz per 4-6 quarts I am not sure if adding more would benefit or not ?

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #2788573
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Chemically speaking, these esters are co-polymers of alphaolefins and dicarboxylic acids which are esterified with various alcohols and are shear-stable and virtually smokeless.

I have spoken about these esters previously as those esters which aid in the reduction of ZDDP content and do not show up in VOA/UOA's.

There is one oil mfg that's using these esters with PAO and has no ZDDP whatsoever.

Now that is interesting info.
So that nameless company is using something similar to this additive to eliminate the use of a different anti-wear compound.
The more info that comes up on this stuff the more I think I'd like to have a used oil analysis done with this stuff in the oil.
Maybe I'll test mule my mustang next year. I tracked the car on test and tune nights here and ran the street legals,so I don't know that I could get consistent info to compare it against because each interval may or may not see track time.
Dermapaint offered to try it out however he wasn't interested in sending a sample in for analysis.
The new mustang engine hasn't been treated with anything yet so it would be the perfect candidate,because no mos2 in it yet possibly skewing the results.
K boys. I'll run it in my mustang next spring. Blackstone must have universal averages for a ford 4.6 4v so I'll run an interval of pyb and this stuff and compare it to the universal averages that blackstone has for this engine and we can see whether it benefits anything.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2789099
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How does the hyper lube zinc replacement additive compare to Schaeffer's #132 Moly E.P. Engine Oil Treatment.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2789426
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I read the Viscosity Charts but don't I need to know the temp ?


The kinematic viscosities at 40 and 100C are listed on the left side of the chart.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2790201
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I think the Schaeffer 132 is a good bit more viscous product and contains more Antimony anti-wear compounds than Moly, from what I have read. It supposedly contains some type of polymerized esters in it's mix as well, which i am sorta guessing is the type of compound they call their "Penetro" component. I think the Schaeffers cost me about $5 or $6 or so a bottle (by the case) and I have used it to beef up the anti-wear and viscosity of lesser oils. I think it helped a bit with the oil consumption on the 2001 Isuzu Trooper I put it in this summer with some older Castrol Syntec 10W-40 we were trying to use up. I actually would rather use Schaeffer oil instead of using additives to beef up other oils, but in this case it worked well. Got that 5 qt jug of Syntec 10W-40 on clearance at WM a few years back and it was just sitting around getting dusty. Haven't used the Hyperlube stuff yet. With the Schaeffers oil, I really don't see a need for it.

Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2790289
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As far as I know from speaking with their techs, this stuff has NO particulate type AW, or FM additives AT ALL in it.

It is TOTALLY the aforementioned KetJenLube (#9233 I believe?), polymer ester compound.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2790398
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There is one oil mfg that's using these esters with PAO and has no ZDDP whatsoever.

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So that nameless company is using something similar to this additive to eliminate the use of a different anti-wear compound.




It is no secret.


Do a search on "FUCHS."

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: OilNerd] #2791007
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Originally Posted By: OilNerd
Be careful if you use zddplus, as it is VERY concentrated.

I was playing around with it and SuperTech Full Syn and got Zn 1859 and 1860 ppm on two batches, when mixed 60ml to 5 quarts. crzy


wow that is strong.

I added 30 ml only of zddpmaxx to 4.5 quarts recently to a baseline of 990 ppm of zinc.
Without testing I'm assuming it wouldn't raise it more than 1500 ppm.

(FYI - no high zinc level oils here where I live and I can't import any so an additive was the only option)

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