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hy-per lube zinc replacement additive #2786001 10/28/12 02:23 AM
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hi anyone use the hyperlube zinc replacement additive

Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2786004 10/28/12 02:53 AM
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No, but I have seen it on the shelf at O'rileys for a while and wondered the actual composition, anyone got a UOA?


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2786047 10/28/12 07:08 AM
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If I had a flat tappet engine that needed additional zinc I would use Amsoil ZROD oil rather than an additive.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: Donald] #2786057 10/28/12 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: Donald
If I had a flat tappet engine that needed additional zinc I would use Amsoil ZROD oil rather than an additive.


Agreed.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2786082 10/28/12 08:08 AM
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I dont recall it having any real zinc in it. Redline or zddplus, zddpmax is actual Zinc and phos..


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: ddtmoto] #2786099 10/28/12 08:42 AM
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Be careful if you use zddplus, as it is VERY concentrated.

I was playing around with it and SuperTech Full Syn and got Zn 1859 and 1860 ppm on two batches, when mixed 60ml to 5 quarts. crzy

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: ddtmoto] #2786119 10/28/12 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
I dont recall it having any real zinc in it. Redline or zddplus, zddpmax is actual Zinc and phos..



Or Crane Cams Break in Lube

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2269196

I can confirm that adding 9ml (0.3 oz) of this break in lube to 6 quarts of oil will raise zinc by 200 ppm



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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: Loobed] #2786319 10/28/12 12:48 PM
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Hi Sorry I should have mentioned the Hy-Per Lube Zinc Replacement doesn't have an Zinc in it. Its a Synthetic Ester Based Product that claims to work better than ZDDP based on Independant testing. I have looked on the Interent and on BITOG and I can't find that much information on it. The company has been around for 50 years or so yet not much information. They make a Coolant Wetter product that seems to be much more popular.

If I was looking to add ZDDP I would buy the Lucas Break In additive as I have heard that is a good product.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2786419 10/28/12 03:09 PM
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I have used this kind of polymer chemistry in reduced ZDDP (experimental) formulations and I found I could reduce viscosity and still lower wear rates.

Suggested dossge ratio is about 1oz Hyper:13oz PCMO so what I suggest (since I don't see any viscosity or VII data) is adding 2-3oz of this stuff to a quart of oil and have the mix analyzed to make sure the VOA viscosity is still in the 0w20 range or whatever range of oil viscosity you may be using.

The polymer ester I use is about 140 weight (approx. 35 cSt) in its virgin form, but I suspect this stuff is "cut-down" to a 20 or 30 weight.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #2786434 10/28/12 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: DanMiller
Hi Sorry I should have mentioned the Hy-Per Lube Zinc Replacement doesn't have an Zinc in it. Its a Synthetic Ester Based Product that claims to work better than ZDDP based on Independant testing. I have looked on the Interent and on BITOG and I can't find that much information on it. The company has been around for 50 years or so yet not much information. They make a Coolant Wetter product that seems to be much more popular.

If I was looking to add ZDDP I would buy the Lucas Break In additive as I have heard that is a good product.


It seems like it's similar to Lubegard Biotech Engine Protectant.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: demarpaint] #2786477 10/28/12 04:38 PM
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Hi yes it seems similar to Lubegard but I can't get Lubegard Biotech in my area. I am hoping this is just as good but there isn't that much information on it.

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Hi what polymer Ester do you use ?

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I don't reveal the type or source.

I am confident the LubeGuard LXE esters and the HyperLube polymer esters are NOT the same chemistry.

The one thing that we should question with any additive of this type is how the Mfg. determined the dosage levels considering they both say their third-party-additives (TPA) can be used in conventional, Blends, and full synthetic oils?

Hopefully, they did extensive testing.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #2786537 10/28/12 05:34 PM
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Hi I just read that Hy-per Lube was started by Howard Hilton in the 1950's and there is a Howard Hilton that is President on Internation Lubricatants Inc ( Lubegard ) It could be there is no relation today but it interesting...

Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #2786634 10/28/12 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I have used this kind of polymer chemistry in reduced ZDDP (experimental) formulations and I found I could reduce viscosity and still lower wear rates.

Suggested dossge ratio is about 1oz Hyper:13oz PCMO so what I suggest (since I don't see any viscosity or VII data) is adding 2-3oz of this stuff to a quart of oil and have the mix analyzed to make sure the VOA viscosity is still in the 0w20 range or whatever range of oil viscosity you may be using.




So Hy-per lube isn't just another Lucas type oil stabilizer?

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