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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Bodensee] #2986953 04/28/13 02:20 AM
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Ceretec and Motor Protect in Germany.

Cery only for sale in Germany, not as expensive as I thought, BUT must add serious shipping costs. Skyship probably still laughing about men that fly on plane to get box full!
Probably should not mention his name as serious red flag to Russians and Mobil M1 sellers for reasons I not understand fully.
I use Castrol at present, but will try new Mobil diesel oil next because it's cheaper and big engine oil price war on Net in EU. Castrol undercut LM, then Mobil followed example, Shell not involved as not enough Internet dealers available yet. Price of engine oil down by one third in last 6 months I guess, but only on Net.

PS. I don't understand why the big oilers don't sell top of range products in the US, I presume they are too expensive. HM oils something of an exception as they are difficult to find in Germany, but easy in US.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Bodensee] #2986958 04/28/13 02:58 AM
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Cery data sheet linky

Now I warn about the legal English terms engineering interpretation.

1/Mixable with all commercially available motor oils
Does not mean mixes without side effects.
2/Stable even under high thermal and dynamic permanent loads
How stable?
3/No deposits and absolutely compatible with all commonly used filter systems
OK
4/Resists extremely high and low temperatures
How well?
5/- Reduces fuel consumption
OK, but so does thin oil!
6/- Increases engine service life
OK, BUT Impossible to base legal action if not true and no definition of service life included.
7/- Increases smooth operation
OK, but do they mean noise or vibration, definition required
8/- Stable under extreme pressures
How stable?
9/- Chemically inert
When mixed with what?
10/- Higher performance gain due to reduced friction
No definition of performance included.
11/- Does not increase the phosphorous and sulfur content of the motor oil
OK, does not contain Zinc etc.
12/- Tested with catalytic converters and diesel particle filter
No results, so could have been worse? Tested is one interesting word!

LM are good German company and lead the world in some after market additives, BUT, very, very few buyers need to be using their products and would save money finding different type of oil.
All 12 claims made above might well be good, BUT they do not have to be, as they are written in terms approved by legal man who is probably much smarter than average reader.

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Bodensee] #2987160 04/28/13 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bodensee
Ceretec and Motor Protect in Germany.

Cery only for sale in Germany, not as expensive as I thought, BUT must add serious shipping costs. Skyship probably still laughing about men that fly on plane to get box full!
Probably should not mention his name as serious red flag to Russians and Mobil M1 sellers for reasons I not understand fully.
I use Castrol at present, but will try new Mobil diesel oil next because it's cheaper and big engine oil price war on Net in EU. Castrol undercut LM, then Mobil followed example, Shell not involved as not enough Internet dealers available yet. Price of engine oil down by one third in last 6 months I guess, but only on Net.

PS. I don't understand why the big oilers don't sell top of range products in the US, I presume they are too expensive. HM oils something of an exception as they are difficult to find in Germany, but easy in US.


Now let me get this straight-mention of Skyship's name is serious 'red flag' to Russians and Mobil 1 sellers!

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Mystic] #2987202 04/28/13 11:20 AM
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Remember Clevy when Skyship said before he left that he was going to test Ceratec? He had started out here completely against all oil supplements and drive around engine cleaners but right before he left he said he was going to use Ceratec.


Oh yes. I remember although I think he was just humouring us.
Looks like skyship,I mean Bodensee here knows the guy,bet he sees his reflection in the mirror every day.
Anyways motor protect and ceratec are different products as skyship already pointed out. Oops,I mean Bodensee.
Everything liqui-moly makes is great and I would have no problems using anything they sell.


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2987237 04/28/13 11:58 AM
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You see what Bodensee said about the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers above? That mention of Skyship's name was a 'red flag' to the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers? I hardly think that Skyship is a threat or whatever to the Russians. But if he somehow was I think the Russians would take care of that.

I don't know if Bodensee is trying to be humorous or really believes all this stuff, but as long as he does not start talking about gold dust as an additive in motor oil I guess it is okay.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Mystic] #2987254 04/28/13 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
You see what Bodensee said about the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers above? That mention of Skyship's name was a 'red flag' to the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers? I hardly think that Skyship is a threat or whatever to the Russians. But if he somehow was I think the Russians would take care of that.

I don't know if Bodensee is trying to be humorous or really believes all this stuff, but as long as he does not start talking about gold dust as an additive in motor oil I guess it is okay.


I just spit coffee all over my windshield.
Thanks. Yep. That and these engine flush caused a runaway stuff.
Or those chaps testing that non additzed tranny fluid in buses and stuff.
That guy was so out to lunch he was on a skyship to space.
Right Bodensee.


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2987258 04/28/13 12:36 PM
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I don't know if Bodensee and Skyship are the same guy or not but they are starting to sound the same. Skyship with his gold dust additive for motor oil, his good old chaps testing additives one at a time in 30 weight and 40 weight oil, his riding on the bus testing transmission fluids, and his runaway turbo car, and Bodesee telling us that Skyship is a 'red flag' to the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers!

But don't get the wrong idea-Trav is from Germany and he is one of our best guys here.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2987261 04/28/13 12:43 PM
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Mystic. Check his other posts. Word for word it's skyship. Not that I really care as long as he doesn't revert to the absurdity he used to post.
Live and let live right


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2987279 04/28/13 01:22 PM
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Yes, live and let live. If it is Skyship returned I don't really care. But Skyship's original message that he tried to get us all to accept really was not a bad message for many people-read the owner's manual, do all necessary maintenance, use high quality motor oil and have reasonable OCIs, and don't use oil supplements. That is really not a bad message for most new car buyers.

But then before he left Skyship started to talk about all the weird stuff like gold dust in motor oil. Well, Bodensee is already talking about Skyship being a 'red flag' to the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers. Some pretty strange stuff.

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Bodensee, you said mention of Skyship's name was a serious 'red flag' to the Russians and Mobil 1 sellers. What exactly do you mean?

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What would the difference be between Ceratec and Motor Protect? Hopefully I won't be 'red flagged' for asking.... whistle


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MotorProtect
Fully synthetic engine-oil additive. Significantly reduces wear. High-pressure anti-wear additive forms a very thin layer on friction pairs inside the engine. The layer has ductile and lubricating properties and is effective for at least 50,000 km. The advantages are as follows: ˜ Significant reduction in wear ˜ Longer service life for the engine˜ Reduced fuel consumption and pollutant emissions due to the energy conserving effect ˜ Optimum engine performance and quieter running.

Cera Tec
CERA TEC is a high-tech ceramic wear protection product for all motor oils. CERA TEC reduces friction and wear due to ceramic compounds that withstand extremely high chemical and thermal loads. Prevents direct metal-to-metal contact, thus increasing the engine service life. The low-friction effect reduces fuel consumption in gasoline and diesel engines. Sufficient for 5 liters of motor oil.


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2987605 04/28/13 07:43 PM
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So the Ceratec has lubricating ceramics, ok. The MotorProtect has 'ductile' and 'lubricating' properties. Wonder what 'ductile' properties are? I'm assuming that the Motorprotect has Moly as it's main ingredients and possible some ceramics as well. I can't find much that explains the ingredients of MotorProtect from the LM website...


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: dino33] #2989031 04/30/13 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: dino33
So the Ceratec has lubricating ceramics, ok. The MotorProtect has 'ductile' and 'lubricating' properties. Wonder what 'ductile' properties are? I'm assuming that the Motorprotect has Moly as it's main ingredients and possible some ceramics as well. I can't find much that explains the ingredients of MotorProtect from the LM website...


You're right, LM don't say what is in some of their products, but as far as I am aware, Ceretec has Moly, Boron and Ceramic particles in suspension, plus a dash of a few other chemicals. Motor Protect is more of a mystery, but the locals say it is Bio Moly!

Ceretec is popular with VW TDI owners in Germany who don't want to use an HDEO or higher Zinc content oil. Anyone got before and after UOA results, rather than the normal "It sounds good in my engine" accounts.

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Bodensee Skyship before he left here said that he was going to test Ceratec. You seem to know Skyship. Do you know how his testing of Ceratec went?

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