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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2732278 09/02/12 04:14 AM
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I think from many what I read, the recommendation is to add during the engine is cold, but need to drive immediately upon adding for half an hour. However, that assumes you are in summer. Not sure whether that works pretty well in winter if the engine oil is too thick for start.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: kr_bitog] #2757445 09/28/12 05:04 PM
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Still thinking of using this additive next OCI, but I would really like to see some before and after UOA results first if anyone has a summary of the wear metal figures etc.

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2758131 09/29/12 02:13 PM
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I am going to try the last metal bottle I have left before the next very long trip I have to make on the new OCI.

My only worry is the supposed plug fouling accusations.


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2778503 10/20/12 04:23 PM
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So I've got 6 cans of cera-tec and roughly 20 of the mos2 stuff.
I'm going to use the cera-tec in the new 4v going into my 2000 gt,then the mos2 after the first oil change.
Now is there any benefit doing that. I know the cera tec plates the metal parts forming a very hard and smooth surface. Now would this surface benefit from the added friction reducing ability of the mos2 or would it be redundant by that point.
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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2786926 10/29/12 02:24 AM
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VOA of Ceratec: http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/38285.html
Mo:5419(!) ppm
Bo: 359 ppm

Which microceramic? Laughing?
Mainly ammonium molybdenum (strictly according to MSDS: 5%)

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2786938 10/29/12 04:08 AM
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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2786943 10/29/12 04:34 AM
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I also worry about the filling of pores chromium (porous) coating of upper compression ring with particles of ammonium molybdate and boron nitride having a size commensurate with the pore size (0.2 mkm). Your opinion?

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2984988 04/26/13 03:32 AM
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Anyone have any further comments on ceratec? Sounds like good stuff, but is it any better than M0S2 long term?


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2984991 04/26/13 03:44 AM
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I've used both cera-tec and mos2. The ceratec needs to be used less often whereas the mos2 needs a full treatment then only half treatments at every subsequent oil change.
I've also used both. I used the ceratec first and ran a 10000 mile interval then used the mos2 at every oil change.
I get better than EPA fuel consumption estimates and the motor has more than 265000kms on it. It consumes no oil whatsoever and engine runs as good as new.
I cannot say with any scientific certainty that the ceratec reduces wear in my engine but I can say that the theory on how it works is sound and liqui-moly is a top notch company with credibility,so I believe their claims.

Wow. Thread resurrection.
K. Well I've already posted on this thread months ago and this post is my update.

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2984997 04/26/13 04:23 AM
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Thanks for the update Clevy! How many km's out of the 265 have you been using the moly products? Sounds like your engine is proof that the stuff does work. I've only used the M0S2 so far. I found that it made my engine run a little quieter and seemed smoother. I thought this would be good extra protection for my '04 Prius, as the engine is constantly stopping and starting with the electric motor. Hope you guys get an early Spring in the the Praries....

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: eta] #2985026 04/26/13 06:11 AM
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Thanks Dino
I've only put 25000 of those 265000 on however there is no question in my mind that the mos2 has increased my mileage,and made the engine far more quiet.
Once I get the 4v dynotuned I will be using ceratec first,the mos2 again.
Can't get it tuned til may,I'm going half crazy. I want to liquefy the tires on that mustang. Hehehe.
Put me on your buddies list. I'll update you as I discover or experience things as they come.


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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2985216 04/26/13 10:24 AM
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Remember Clevy when Skyship said before he left that he was going to test Ceratec? He had started out here completely against all oil supplements and drive around engine cleaners but right before he left he said he was going to use Ceratec.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Mystic] #2986567 04/27/13 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Remember Clevy when Skyship said before he left that he was going to test Ceratec? He had started out here completely against all oil supplements and drive around engine cleaners but right before he left he said he was going to use Ceratec.


There was post from him on ZF forum, he has odd sense of humour because it said he had recommended it to cause what were called, "Bobs children" to spend their pocket money on. I presume the joke was it was Liquis Moly most expensive product.

I might try it next year once I finish testing different Zinc levels, but can't change two things at same time. They send me free product if I post them test data after.

Ceretec contains Moly, Boron and Ceramic particle suspension. It does not last 50K km, as that was joke from their marketing man. He even wrote a message to one user saying for full effect use every OCI, it was copied to ZF forum by Skyship.
I will have to read data sheet again, because if you don't change the oil for 50K km, then it's true. It might be a minor translation error, as lasting effect does not mean it works after the oil is changed.

Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: Clevy] #2986768 04/27/13 09:29 PM
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Will do. I've been using the M0S2 and am quite positive about it. Engine seems to run smoother and noticed a slight increase in mpg. Definitely a non scientific observation, but still, I'm happy with the stuff. I'm going to look into using the Ceratec. I'm assuming that LM calls ceratec 'Motor Protect' in the North American market, as this is all I can find on their web site....

http://www.liqui-moly.us/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/us_2053.html?Opendocument&land=US

Also, Clevy, out of curiosity do you use any kind of fuel additives? I've tried the Lucas fuel treatment and it seems to to add a little low end torque, plus I'm assuming it would be a little extra protection with its lubricating properties...

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Re: Liqui Moly Ceratec [Re: dino33] #2986939 04/28/13 01:50 AM
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Ceretec is not Motorprotect, very different product!
Price seems to vary a lot.
I never confuse engine sound with actual wear rates, very complex subject, but many engines that go bang sound real good just before. Had a turbo go bang right next to me once and an engine run out of oil and never heard a thing until about one second before main block filed in a big way. Cold start rattles are more of concern than hot ones and Cery does have a reputation with old German VW TDI owners for noise reduction, when Moly on its own does not tend to reduce noise.

I know some UOA results were published that showed good results in wear metal reduction, but they were only single results from different engines, so not good enough in statistical terms.
First part of sensible additives test is to find best oil for a particular engine, use it for 3 OCI's to draw graph, then use additive long enough to allow for seasonal changes etc, then back to original oil for cross check. Probably 6 UOA results to even get close to a conclusion.

PS. Remember non OEM adds might invalidate warranty and quality control or API / ACEA regs are not applicable. You can bottle used industrial solvents, start a nice web site and place some advertising around the Net without breaching any laws that can be enforced in the USA or the EU.

Some OEM recommended or big oil company fuel additives do work OK and good idea if fuel quality poor or injection system sensitive to lubrication issues.

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