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Re: Motor Kote (works) #265469 07/25/04 08:08 PM
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Your kidding me right? Motorkotes tests are funnier than the ones done on lucas. SFR would knock the snot out of motorkote any place any time they only put like maybe 7-10 weights on that machine I've seen tests with SFR with an extended arm and someone holding the motordown pull 40 weights with a wear scar less or the same. There are far better products out there than Motorkote when ever any one hears its the best product on the market it makes everyone think of ways to discredit the product. All of motorkotes hoop la about FTC and what knot is played out amsoil whipped that dead horse a long time ago. Lets get to the root of things WHY or WHAT is the or makes a GREAT product.

Geez. I'll tell ya, I'm fast reaching the point that if a product is tested and "substantiated" via anything that involves weights, a lever, and a wear scar, I'm going to run screaming hysterically in the opposite direction.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265470 07/26/04 09:01 AM
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Has there ever been any concrete evidence that the wear scar tests prove anything in regards to lubrication protection? Like has an oil or additive that scores high (small wear scar) proven itself by dramatically (or even slightly) improving engine life and efficiency over comparibale products over many miles on many different engines.

Or is it just the quick marketing gimmick that it appears to be?

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265471 07/25/04 10:45 PM
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quote:
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Has there ever been any concrete evidence that the wear scar tests prove anything in regards to lubrication protection? Like has an oil or additive that scores high (small wear scar) proven itself by dramatically (or even slightly) improving engine life and efficiency over comparibale products over many miles on many different engines.

Or is it just the quick marketing gimmick that it appears to be?

Well logically there would appear to be a cooralation, both are wear between metal surfaces. And maybe that's why they use it.

Perhaps there it is easy to cheat on? Personally I think there are probably too many variables to control that allow tests to be manipulated. Maybe that's why many SAE tests involve actual engines.

From a consumer stand point most people don't have the means to test multiple products in multiple engines over long periods of time, so we really don't know if there is a cooralation or not.

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Re: Motor Kote (works) #265472 07/25/04 11:18 PM
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Maybe someone will "copafeel" [Big Grin] on oilmeup and he will get back in the discussion. If he has more information that proves MotorKote doesn't have long chain paraffins please share it with us.

Steve

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265473 07/27/04 09:13 AM
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Although it may not be the best test it does show the pressure which does exist in any engine and what happens when a softer and harder metal meet. The ones that don't work are the ones that human intervention is possible pull arm or a tourque wrench.

Bottom line its quick and to the point How Else can you demonstrate something you can't see and expect people to pay more for the product then just pouring in oil that may be lacking additives that your vehicle despartely needs. Hopefully the tests show more than someone at a parts counter twirling a wheel and watching oil on gears go up and down.

It would also be difficult to do oil analysis because of the long intervals between changes.

the wave of the future will be thermal imaging

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265474 09/14/04 11:36 PM
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So Mobil 1 seized up Motorkote started smoking a lot after 15 weights but didn't stop.This looks like one of those AMSOIL tests wear the mark is measured.On the other post someone said they put it in a real oilburner. Like magic it started burning less oil (less smoke)but for me getting 10% more MPG from oil would be astounding.Without any harmful solids in it might be worth a try in a old oil burning gas hog. [Eek!]

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265475 09/20/04 10:24 PM
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Ask Frank Miller about MotorKote as he helped develop it with Dr. Dave at MSU.

What I remember Frank telling me on the phone was that MotorKote was an excellent lubricant, but not a cleaner and could have side effects on your health if you're exposed to it a lot.

I have used MotorKote for years, on all my vehicles. I never did a UOA so I can't offer any actual data but going by total engine milage, I believe MotorKote served me well. I put over 230,000 miles on my 2.9L Ford and it was still running strong when I got rid of it.

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Re: Motor Kote (works) #265476 09/21/04 12:40 AM
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I helped develop "MTX" a better long chain chlorinated friction reducer than what was on the market than. I know Dr. Dave
and have never been involved with Motorkote.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265477 09/21/04 05:55 AM
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Is MTX available for sale?

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265478 09/21/04 06:33 PM
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I helped develop "MTX" a better long chain chlorinated friction reducer than what was on the market than. I know Dr. Dave
and have never been involved with Motorkote.

I stand corrected in that Frank never worked on Motorkote, but developed MTX.

Re: Motor Kote (works) [Re: fdunford] #265479 04/24/07 02:29 AM
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just bought this stuff, who is ready to run some non biased testS? I will supply so we can all see if it's trully a snake oil.

Re: Motor Kote (works) [Re: kane] #265480 04/24/07 02:56 AM
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Do you have several UOA's on the same oil with same amount of miles in same car to compare the 3 or 4 UOA's with the Motor Kote you will be doing? Without this, you will not be "testing".


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Re: Motor Kote (works) [Re: Tempest] #265481 04/24/07 03:18 AM
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Do you have several UOA's on the same oil with same amount of miles in same car to compare the 3 or 4 UOA's with the Motor Kote you will be doing? Without this, you will not be "testing".




No I don't, I don't even realize what a UOA is personally. I wouldn't put it in my motor since this company does seem like a serpent until I've seen independent test. I also wouldn't advise somebody putting it in there cars until the product has been tested.

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Can you use it to kill weeds?


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Re: Motor Kote (works) [Re: obbop] #265483 04/24/07 11:07 PM
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I know almost nothing about motor oil, I'm just an owner operator with one truck, I recently spent a lot of money rebuilding my diesel engine and I have a bypass filter system on it. What I’m wondering about is the claim of Motorkote that it reduces wear caused by dry starts.

I know that the debate over oil additives centers mostly around fuel savings, increase in HP, and reduction in engine wear, and that most people who are expert in the field don’t feel they are necessary.

My question is whether the MK claim of reducing wear from dry starts has any validity, since my trucking operation is not one in which the truck is constantly running – it is turned off for a day or more on a regular basis.

Here are the CAS#s and MSDS info for MK posted in 2002. It may be noteworthy that the product name has changed from Motorkote 100 to just Motorkote since then, but the MSDS has not been updated. The order is simply numeric, not necessarily by content -- I think it is all <100 ppm, not sure.

64741-88-4 Solvent-Refined Heavy Paraffinic Distillate (Petroleum)
64742-01-4 Residual Oils, Petroleum, Solvent-Refined
64742-57-0 Residual Oils, Petroleum, Hydrotreated
64742-58-1 Lubricating Oils, Petroleum, Hydrotreated-Spent
64742-62-7 Residual Oils, Petroleum, Solvent-Dewaxed
72623-83-7 LUBRICATING OILS (PETROLEUM), C>25, HYDROTREATED BRIGHT STOCK-BASED

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