Ferrari Enzo 2003, 1,400 mi Shell Helix Racing 60 wt.

[AEHaas]

This is my neighbor’s 2003 Ferrari Enzo with a total of 8,800 miles. He had the oil changed by the Ferrari dealer using the required 10W-60 Shell Helix Ultra Racing oil.
This oil has 1,400 miles on it and it is still in use. The recommended interval is 5,000 miles, less if on the track. This is strictly off track use in town and on the highway, probably 50-50.

I will put this up again with my Enzo’s oil after I accumulate the same mileage on the 0W-30 GC I am currently running.
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Iron___________ 32
Chromium _____ Nickel ________ 2
Aluminum ______11
lead __________ 16
Copper ________25
Tin ___________ Silver ________ Titanium ______ Silicon ________ 7
Boron ________ 1
Sodium _______ 8
Potassium ____ Molybdenum __ Phosphorus __1026
Zinc ________ 1135
Calcium _____ 1454
Barium ______ Magnesium ___1219
Antimony _____ Vanadium _____ Fuel %Vol _____ Abs Oxid ______34
Abs Nitr _______11
Wtr %vol ______ Vis CS 100C __ 15.8
SAE Grade ____40
Gly test ______NEG
TBN _________not done

I tested my oil using this company: www.youroil.net

I also discussed things here:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=016130;p=2


aehaas

 

[G-MAN]

Wear numbers look pretty pathetic to me.

Look at all that calcium in the Helix Ultra!

Sheared to a 10w40.

Something tells me your numbers with the GC will be much better than this.

 

[Pablo]

I'm with G-man II. I must assume this engine is dieing to be broke in properly.

I'm not exactly sure why Ferrari recommends this oil, other than a huge contract with Shell. I mean Ferrari is my all time favorite car, F1 and otherwise. If and when I achieve a Ferrari in my lifetime, I will at least have some knowledge of oil to go with my acheivement.

 

[Bobert]

The Calcium is low, but has pretty high Magnesium. $60 per quart oil sheared down though bigtime. I think any $5 per quart synthetic you can get at Autozone/Walmart can equal or better this wear trend.

 

[Gary Allan]

Dr. Haas, I'd really be so insatiably curious about this shearing that I'd do a in process VOA with his fresh fill and see what it yields in visc. Hardy seems worth the trouble to use it.

That was the more socialized and politically correct way of saying that I'd surely double check the dealer service to assure myself that they in fact installed UltraHelix 10w-60. It might have been a bad month at the casino and the $40,000 in bulk oil just wasn't in the budget.

 

[Vilan]

Anyone who can afford an Enzo can afford a lawyer. Would a shop risk getting sued for a $X00,000 engine over a few hundred bucks of oil?

 

[Bobert]

Here is the Shell Helix 15w-50 and Shell Helix 5w-40 for comparison.

 

[Gary Allan]

Not normally ..but then again, you wouldn't believe that a major oil corporation would sell $60-$70 racing oil that shears to a 40 weight in 1400 miles either.

..and who said the engine was at risk

For all we know they can be raced with D1 in them and last a long time.

You see, they read this oil primer by a Surgeon of distinction in the Sarasota area that strongly suggested that lighter oils would perform better in these types of engines. They read it on the internet ..but since he put his Enzo where his publishing was ...they figured that they could not only get away with it, but were performing a "value added" service for their customers.

Never trust the service class, they think owning something like that is nature's way of saying that you make too much money (an arguably valid point). They think that you don't care or won't notice ..and wouldn't know the difference.

[ September 17, 2006, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by Bobert:
The Calcium is low, but has pretty high Magnesium.

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The calcium looks a little high to me given how high the magnesium is.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by G-Man II:
Sheared to a 10w40.

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I wonder if a lot of the Xw50s and Xw60 we see used around the world don't perform similarly. Their HTHS may not be proportionally higher (temporary sheer), and they sheer out to a Xw40 in short order (permanent sheer). One could see where this would tend to confuse people when they see such OEM recommendations outside the U.S.

 

[Primus]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Not normally ..but then again, you wouldn't believe that a major oil corporation would sell $60-$70 racing oil that shears to a 40 weight in 1400 miles either.

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This is not a racing oil to expect something extraordinary from it. Besides, the price cannot serve a base for product evaluation. Shell 10W-60 price in the US does not reflect the quality. In Europe it's offered at 16-20 Euro/l.

As for shearing, think Motul 300V 15W-50 and M1 15w-50 will perform better.

 

[Shannow]

Total Calcium plus Magnesium is about 2500, which is the same as Delvac 1.

I'd run D-1 instead.

 

[Primus]

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Originally posted by 427Z06:
I wonder if a lot of the Xw50s and Xw60 we see used around the world don't perform similarly. Their HTHS may not be proportionally higher (temporary sheer), and they sheer out to a Xw40 in short order (permanent sheer).

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Castrol 10W-60 (TWS and RS Syntec) and M1 5W-50 often also shear to relatively W40-50 and W40 depending on a car and application.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Originally posted by Primus:
This is not a racing oil to expect something extraordinary from it. Besides, the price cannot serve a base for product evaluation. Shell 10W-60 price in the US does not reflect the quality. In Europe it's offered at 16-20 Euro/l.

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So, I guess they bother to ship it across the ocean just for the fun of it

and charge you for the privilege

..to some unholy extreme

You mean it's like the "pet rock" of motor oils for highend Italian alloy??

Do they also sell Enzo's for about 200K Euro too?

 

[INDYMAC]

Why does Ferrari require 10W60 racing oil for street use?
How long does it take to break-in the engine with street use only?
Does Ferrari offer a drive train warranty with their new vehicles?
Just curious...probably won't buy one anytime soon, but who knows????

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by Shannow:
Total Calcium plus Magnesium is about 2500, which is the same as Delvac 1.

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Which is a HDEO.

Helix Ultra 10w60 is a racing oil for automotive street/track applications. Yet it has calcium and mag levels more like an oil intended for diesel applications. That was my point.

 

[TooSlick]

I'd run the Amsoil Series 2000 racing oil or Redline 15w-50 in this application. Much more shear stable than an SAE 10w-60.

TS

 

[Shannow]

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Originally posted by G-Man II:

Originally posted by Shannow:
[qb]That was my point.

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G-Man, no need for roll-eyes.

Many PCMO oils have similar. My UOA on my Navara has around 3000ppm on an SL/CF oil.

M1 0w-40 is around 3000 also.

 

[G-MAN]

That calcium level of 3000ppm in Castrol Magnatec is indicative of overbasing where the calcium is being used as an anti-wear additive. The same would be true of Mobil 1.

In the levels showing in the Helix Ultra 10w60, the calcium along with the magnesium are being used as a detergent.

 

[Primus]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:

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Originally posted by Primus:
This is not a racing oil to expect something extraordinary from it. Besides, the price cannot serve a base for product evaluation. Shell 10W-60 price in the US does not reflect the quality. In Europe it's offered at 16-20 Euro/l.

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So, I guess they bother to ship it across the ocean just for the fun of it

and charge you for the privilege

..to some unholy extreme

You mean it's like the "pet rock" of motor oils for highend Italian alloy??

Do they also sell Enzo's for about 200K Euro too?

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It depends how to position a product on the market and who is a potential buyer. Apparently Ferrari owners are obliged to buy this oil at $ 60/l because of warranty terms and conditions. But Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60 is not a pure racing oil. It was launched not only Ferrari in mind, but mainly as an alternative of Castrol RS Syntec and Castrol TWS 10W-60.

http://www.epc.shell.com/documentRetrieveView.asp?documentId=102297

http://www.epc.shell.com/documentRetrieveView.asp?documentId=710348

Below is more detailed info on its composition:

1. Shell MVI 700 Neutral (MVI 700) 64742-52-5 ... 1.0 ~ 20.0
2. 1-Decene, Homopolymer, Hydrogenated (1- ,.?.), 68037-01-4, 60.0 ~ 70.0 %
3. Phosphorodithioc Acid, O,O-DI-C1-14-Alkyl Esters Zinc Salts) (.?., O,O .?.-C1-14-.?.), 68649-42-3, 0.1 ~ 1.0 %
4. N-Phenyl Benzeneamine Reaction Products with 2,4,4-Trimethylpentene (N-.?. with 2,4,4-.?.), 68411-46-1, 0.1 ~ 1.0 %

As for its price in Europe, you may buy this oil at EUR 16-20/l and this is a reality. That's why, you may consider $ 60/l in the US like a european vengeance for GC sales at 3 times less price than in Europe.