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2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha #2569190
03/16/12 06:53 AM
03/16/12 06:53 AM
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Heidelberg, Germany
Heidelberger75 Offline OP
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First oil change on a 1.6 TDI in Germany. Car has the Long life OCI option. The MFD showed 1900 km left on the oil when it was changed. Total mileage is at 27,048km.

Opinions? Recommendations?

Thanks.


Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2569320
03/16/12 08:47 AM
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well you are in germany... not sure how they do stuff over there..

but I'd usually recommend 1-2 shorter changes to get all the new engine crud out.. but VW says.. you dont have to.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2569325
03/16/12 08:51 AM
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I guess you Germans have more money than brains....

Enjoy buying yourself a new car in a couple of years.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: addyguy] #2569341
03/16/12 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
I guess you Germans have more money than brains....

Enjoy buying yourself a new car in a couple of years.


Hmm, lets list Canadian companies that are on par with Mercedes,VW ,BMW hmm... none. zero you guys have nothing.

'long oci option'. I wonder what that is? 16,800 miles. The UOA looks pretty good.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2569366
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The OLM in the long life service mode assumes you are using the specific long life oil. Can go up to 30,000 kms.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2569409
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You are braver than I! No way would I run a factory fill even close to this interval.

I always load new engines REALLY hard (but I don't go crazy with the rpms)and dump the FF by 1000 miles. I've been rewarded with great wearing engines that are very stingy on oil and return great FE.

To each their own however. I don't believe my way is the only way and I'm sure the engine will be fine. You've done nothing wrong in VWs eyes, I just don't believe it's optimal.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2569484
03/16/12 11:11 AM
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Aluminum of 111, Nickle of 66, Chromium of 7.....I know it's the first interval, but those level show that major, major engine damage is occuring.

Yes, some of it is break-in, but this is past break-in - this is where the break in metals have made the oil abrasive, and the pistons and rings are being ground down.

I KNOW oil is $$$ in Europe, but cars are even more expensive, apparently the OP hasn't learned this.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2571436
03/18/12 11:03 AM
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The OP has not been back, and I can't say that I blame him after all the rude comments. Things are done differently in Europe. VW says this OCI is OK, and the OP went with it. There's no reason to make rude comments about someone following the manufacturer's recommendation.

VW used to recommend the initial change be shorter, at least here in the US with the TDIs. First change at 5000 then 10000 thereafter. I think this is probably good advice for even the long-life OCI enabled TDI. First change at 8000KM, then follow long-life OCI thereafter.

I wonder what kind of mileage this vehicle gets. The 1.6 Common Rail TDI has about the same HP and torque as the original ALH/ANU 1.9 TDIs (96-04) had here in the US. The 2.0 common rail does not get as good as mileage as the old TDIs did, but I bet the 1.6 would, in a Golf or Beetle at least.

Last edited by Brons2; 03/18/12 11:06 AM.

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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Brons2] #2571620
03/18/12 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Brons2
The OP has not been back, and I can't say that I blame him after all the rude comments. Things are done differently in Europe. VW says this OCI is OK, and the OP went with it. There's no reason to make rude comments about someone following the manufacturer's recommendation..

Yeah it's embarrassing to see comments like that. I would have changed the oil sooner than what VW recommends but it doesn't mean anyone who goes the full distance is dumb.

Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: JAG] #2571639
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Hi,
JAG - I agree, and the UOA is not too bad either, all things carefully considered!!


Regards
Doug
Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2850127
12/28/12 04:41 AM
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Heidelberg, Germany
Heidelberger75 Offline OP
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Here's the second report after another 15,264km. By the way, I don't have any issue with rude comments, this is the internet by the way cool IMO, the jiffy lubes and others in the US have kept people thinking they need to change oil every 3000k miles or death will occur. The shops here in germany aren't so interested in making a quick buck by trying to get you to change your oil too frequently. My dealer would be hesitant to change the oil earlier than the service interval reminder suggests. Just a different culture so I'm going along with it.

My last car in the US was an Infiniti G35 and I changed it's oil every 6k miles with non-synthetic. Had no issues when I sold it at 90k miles. My brother used to change the oil in our mother's car 3x a year when she only drove 2k miles an entire year! I've since convinced him to do yearly oil changes.


Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: rshaw125] #2850133
12/28/12 04:55 AM
12/28/12 04:55 AM
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Saskatoon canada
Clevy Offline
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I guess you Germans have more money than brains....

Enjoy buying yourself a new car in a couple of years.


Hmm, lets list Canadian companies that are on par with Mercedes,VW ,BMW hmm... none. zero you guys have nothing.

'long oci option'. I wonder what that is? 16,800 miles. The UOA looks pretty good.


Yep.We got nothing but clean water and air,lakes you can swim in,work for everyone and health care for all.
Yep,if thats nothing please someone show me what something is.
As far as that rude post by a canadian he is the exception,not the rule but to trash an entire population on a single persons comments does show the depth of your person.do stay on your side of those fences your building,as you can already see we have enough idiots here already.
As far as this uoa goes I really dont see where the more money than brains comment comes from.Obviously the oil is doing fine in the OP's application and I look forward for more stats to come.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2850134
12/28/12 04:58 AM
12/28/12 04:58 AM
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Saskatoon canada
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Originally Posted By: Heidelberger75
Here's the second report after another 15,264km. By the way, I don't have any issue with rude comments, this is the internet by the way cool IMO, the jiffy lubes and others in the US have kept people thinking they need to change oil every 3000k miles or death will occur. The shops here in germany aren't so interested in making a quick buck by trying to get you to change your oil too frequently. My dealer would be hesitant to change the oil earlier than the service interval reminder suggests. Just a different culture so I'm going along with it.

My last car in the US was an Infiniti G35 and I changed it's oil every 6k miles with non-synthetic. Had no issues when I sold it at 90k miles. My brother used to change the oil in our mother's car 3x a year when she only drove 2k miles an entire year! I've since convinced him to do yearly oil changes.



European oils are better formulated for longer drains as well,so that helps extending the interval too. Engine seems to be just fine with your maintenance plan and if anything it looks as though you can extend it even further.
Right on


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Miles x 2 per oil filter
Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: rshaw125] #2850135
12/28/12 05:02 AM
12/28/12 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I guess you Germans have more money than brains....

Enjoy buying yourself a new car in a couple of years.


Hmm, lets list Canadian companies that are on par with Mercedes,VW ,BMW hmm... none. zero you guys have nothing.

'long oci option'. I wonder what that is? 16,800 miles. The UOA looks pretty good.


Bombardier comes to mind,pretty sure we build world class planes here too,perhaps a simple google search could open your eyes to see past the end of your nose.
Do tell us exactly whats going on in your part of the world that gives you such a sense of superiority


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Miles x 2 per oil filter
Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: addyguy] #2850367
12/28/12 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Aluminum of 111, Nickle of 66, Chromium of 7.....I know it's the first interval, but those level show that major, major engine damage is occuring.

Yes, some of it is break-in, but this is past break-in - this is where the break in metals have made the oil abrasive, and the pistons and rings are being ground down.

I KNOW oil is $$$ in Europe, but cars are even more expensive, apparently the OP hasn't learned this.


No they don't.

The engine is still running on the bloody break-in oil. They don't tell us ANYTHING. This is why we TREND UOA's, not freak-out at the results from a single sample.


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