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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2850368
12/28/12 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: Heidelberger75
Here's the second report after another 15,264km. By the way, I don't have any issue with rude comments, this is the internet by the way cool IMO, the jiffy lubes and others in the US have kept people thinking they need to change oil every 3000k miles or death will occur. The shops here in germany aren't so interested in making a quick buck by trying to get you to change your oil too frequently. My dealer would be hesitant to change the oil earlier than the service interval reminder suggests. Just a different culture so I'm going along with it.

My last car in the US was an Infiniti G35 and I changed it's oil every 6k miles with non-synthetic. Had no issues when I sold it at 90k miles. My brother used to change the oil in our mother's car 3x a year when she only drove 2k miles an entire year! I've since convinced him to do yearly oil changes.




Looks like it is trending down nicely thumbsup


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2850462
12/28/12 12:31 PM
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Yup good report. Engine hasn't even broken in yet so those wear metal numbers are nothing to worry about. Flashpoint and TBN and contaminant levels are fine so I'd keep doing what you are doing and maybe go to 20,000km or yearly changes.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: addyguy] #2851620
12/29/12 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Aluminum of 111, Nickle of 66, Chromium of 7.....I know it's the first interval, but those level show that major, major engine damage is occuring.

Yes, some of it is break-in, but this is past break-in - this is where the break in metals have made the oil abrasive, and the pistons and rings are being ground down.

I KNOW oil is $$$ in Europe, but cars are even more expensive, apparently the OP hasn't learned this.


It's obvious that not many folks know about break in figures for a new engine or about the OCI that is best for breaking in a new engine.
UOA gives very strange results with very high wear metals after the first oil change, that is perfectly normal.
It is very important not to ignore the recommended first OCI or do short OCI's for the next few changes because you want a semi abrasive oil to help bed the rings and polish up the bearings. The factory fill is a special oil mix that often has different additives that aid the initial bedding in process,dumping it early is one big mistake that can have long term consequences.
The only thing I don't like in this UOA is the fuel contamination, although it could just be caused by too much time at idle or short tripping. It might be worth asking the dealer about that figure just in case one of the injectors got dinged during assembly or the fuel filter is defective.

Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: skyship] #2852492
12/30/12 12:38 PM
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Don't know why the fuel contamination was there but it cleared up for the second uoa. Someone on tdiclub thought the previous owner might have used biodiesel thereby causing it. I bought the car with 16k km and it was a rental so I doubt it had any fuel in it other than the standard German pump diesel. Also, all diesel in Germany is allowed to have up to 7% biodiesel.

Oh yeah, vw does NOT use special breakin oil in the factory fill.

Last edited by Heidelberger75; 12/30/12 12:40 PM.
Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2852521
12/30/12 01:11 PM
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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2852781
12/30/12 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Heidelberger75
Don't know why the fuel contamination was there but it cleared up for the second uoa. Someone on tdiclub thought the previous owner might have used biodiesel thereby causing it. I bought the car with 16k km and it was a rental so I doubt it had any fuel in it other than the standard German pump diesel. Also, all diesel in Germany is allowed to have up to 7% biodiesel.

Oh yeah, vw does NOT use special breakin oil in the factory fill.


Thanks for the info on the break in oil, I thought they were using a special Fuchs oil. The Bio diesel does not cause fuel contamination (I'm in germany and have never seen any in my UOA) and is good news not bad in cleaning terms. It can result from too much time at idle OR taking the sample without at least 30 mins driving around at full operating temp. If it's not either of those two possibilities then it must have got in the sump when the injectors were fitted or something real odd. UOA looks fine, although the Calcium and Zinc level of the oil you used seems a bit low, if this is a new generation high tech long life that is not so important and like my LM Synthoil it does not contain Moly which has been left behind in technical terms.
Is this Castrol Edge or GTX 5/30?? The fact it held up in viscosity terms makes it look like Edge, BUT the Zn and Ca look more like GTX.

Last edited by skyship; 12/30/12 05:24 PM.
Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2853200
12/31/12 12:42 AM
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Is this vehicle equipped with a DPF?

If it is that might explain the fuel contamination.

Fuel contamination is fairly common on DPF equipped diesel vehicles.

Especially if they are switched off part way through a regeneration cycle.


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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: bigjl] #2855385
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Yes, it has a DPF.

On the receipt it shows the dealer used "Castrol Long Life 3" oil. Doesn't mention the brand name. A spare liter I bought 1.5 years ago is called Castrol Edge but doesn't mention Long Life anywhere on the label.

Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #2855490
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Originally Posted By: Heidelberger75
On the receipt it shows the dealer used "Castrol Long Life 3" oil. Doesn't mention the brand name.


Long Life III is the name of the oil made by Castrol for VWAG. I used to run it in my Golf.



You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: scurvy] #2862982
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Originally Posted By: scurvy
Originally Posted By: Heidelberger75
On the receipt it shows the dealer used "Castrol Long Life 3" oil. Doesn't mention the brand name.


Long Life III is the name of the oil made by Castrol for VWAG. I used to run it in my Golf.



Good to see VW using a British Oil. The VW TDI is fussy about which oil is uses, so this will be a good one.

Re: 2010 VW Golf variant 1.6TDI, 27k kilometer oil cha [Re: Heidelberger75] #4957518
12/21/18 02:00 AM
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Hi. Resurrecting my old post! Just to give an update, the car has about 150k km now and I am doing yearly oil changes with between 15-20k km per year.

One time a couple of years ago I added about 0.5 liter as make-up oil but that was the only time.

We will probably sell it in the next year but if not I would run my current oil to the full 2 years again.

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