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Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) #2565609
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Not sure if this should go here or in the general auto topics. I found this article interesting and wanted to share.

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article002367909.cfm?x=b11,0,w


March 7, 2012
Ford Issues Engine Oil Spec
By Lisa Tocci

LONDON With the help of lubricants ally BP Castrol, Ford has created a proprietary engine oil for its innovative 1.0-liter, three-cylinder EcoBoost engine. It has begun recommending the SAE 5W-20 oil now for virtually all gasoline-fueled Fords in Europe.

This is the first time Ford has developed a new oil in conjunction with engine architecture," stated Robert Haigh of Ford in a presentation to the ICIS World Base Oils & Lubricants Conference here on Feb. 24.

The new specification, WSS M2C948 B, was activated in January. It defines an SAE 5W-20 multigrade, based largely on Europe's ACEA C2 oil sequence. However, the ACEA C2 category does not currently include a 5W-20 viscosity oil, which Ford desired for its fuel economy benefits.

Ford also found that ACEA's standard fuel economy test (the Daimler M111) was not relevant to the petite EcoBoost engine's hardware, which uses direct injection and turbocharging and delivers very high power densities. Nor was there good correlation with the ASTM Sequence VID fuel economy test used for North America's GF-5 engine oils; the VID uses a 3.6-liter V-6 engine from General Motors, he pointed out.

Hence, WSS M2C948 B contains additional requirements for in-house tests for fuel economy and piston deposit control, said Haigh, who is a senior lubricants engineer based at Ford's Dunton Technical Centre in Basildon, Essex, U.K.

Ford's 1.0-liter EcoBoost engine is a keystone in its efforts to meet fuel economy needs and stringent carbon dioxide limits, he noted. It's the latest in a turbocharged lineup that includes 1.6- and 2.0-liter models, each with four cylinders. In addition to turbocharging and direct injection, the 1.0-liter is loaded with fuel-saving technologies such as split-circuit cooling, a variable vane oil pump, variable camshaft timing and a "bespoke, optimized engine oil."

Working with BP Castrol, Ford started with a list of key attributes for the new oil specification. The oil needed to offer a fuel economy improvement of 0.9 percent over current SAE 5W-20 factory fill, and be backward compatible with Ford Sigma and I4 Duratec powertrains. "My key deliverable was that it offer no compromise on engine durability," he emphasized.

In his ICIS presentation, Haigh showed the result: a liter bottle of co-branded Ford Castrol Magnatec Professional E 5W-20 oil. The container label prominently says the oil is "For Ford EcoBoost Engines" and displays both companies' logos, with Ford's blazoned first.

Any brand of oil that meets the new specification may be used in Ford Europe's cars and warranties cannot be conditioned on using a certain brand, Haigh acknowledged, but Castrol is Ford's longtime close ally for oil development, "and Castrol is Ford's recommended supplier in Europe."

A critical part of the specification's development was creating a fuel economy test procedure. Ford researched a number of options, including friction rigs, steady-state dynamometers, transient dynamometers and chassis rolls.

Primarily, it wanted a test rig with high repeatability; a transient operation that mimicked low and high speed torque cycles as experienced in the field; accurate controls for combustion pressures and temperatures; and fast-track implementation. The test also needed to show correlation with the standard European drive cycle (NEDC) used for measuring CO2 emissions.

Secondary requirements for the fuel economy test, Haigh said, were flexibility ("We wanted to be able to test our 1.6- and 2.0-liter engines on the same facility") and manageable operating cost.

The transient dynamometer gave the broadest coverage of all these requirements, he added. It uses a full engine, has accurate controls, and can run a simplified version of the NEDC. "Fortunately, BP Castrol happened to have a transient dyno, and could make it available to us."

Ford's interval for oil changes with the new product will be 20,000 kilometers or one year, Haigh said; it may extend that to 30,000 km for commercial vehicles.

Asked whether Ford will offer the in-house fuel economy test to ACEA for inclusion in its oil sequences, he said that it's unlikely to be of interest to the group since it's tailored so narrowly to the EcoBoost's needs. "We're finding you need a specific fuel economy test for each engine," he concluded.

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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565626
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That's interesting as up until now the mineral oil based 5W-20 grade has been unique the NA market.
Presumably the availability of a 5W-20 should be considerably cheaper than the 0W-20 synthetics currently dominating the European market.


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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565630
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Castrol Professional 5w20 meets the new spec.



Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565698
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"Castrol is Ford's longtime close ally for oil development"

Does Conoco-Phillips (the maker of Motorcraft oils) have operations in Europe?


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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: pbm] #2565704
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Originally Posted By: pbm
"Castrol is Ford's longtime close ally for oil development"

Does Conoco-Phillips (the maker of Motorcraft oils) have operations in Europe?


CP is the maker of motorcraft in the US
XOM is the maker of motorcraft in Canada

I think it boils down to the lowest bid but I know a few years ago ford was advertising BP fuel on their vehicles caps and OM


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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565733
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Ford of Europe has worked with Castrol over the years.

Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565759
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Quote:
I think it boils down to the lowest bid


Most likely.



Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2565783
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"With the help of lubricants ally BP Castrol"
If this be the case wouldn't Castrol be a better product to use in Ford NA vehicles over the recommended Motorcraft brand? Whats up with this comment geez make up your mind FoMoCo. BP or CP pick one. I am guessing CP dosen't have an UK connection. Beware you thicker oil fans thin oil is going global! ontome

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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: 4ever4d] #2565832
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Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
"With the help of lubricants ally BP Castrol"
If this be the case wouldn't Castrol be a better product to use in Ford NA vehicles over the recommended Motorcraft brand? Whats up with this comment geez make up your mind FoMoCo. BP or CP pick one. I am guessing CP dosen't have an UK connection. Beware you thicker oil fans thin oil is going global! ontome


Wonder if they will back spec 20 years like here?

Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2566801
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ConocoPhillips uses the Jet brand in Europe.

http://www.conocophillips.co.uk/EN/jetbrand/retailfuels/Pages/index.aspx

It isn't clear if C-P is making the motor oil (importing from US) or just rebranding it, as they don't have a blending plant in Europe to my knowledge.

C-P is separating its downstream (branded gasoline/oil) from its exploration business, I'm assuming Jet is part of this.

Ford, like many car companies, has different aftermarket suppliers for commodities, despite BP is a technology partner and sponsor of their World Rally Championship team.

Surprised, Ford is going to 5W-20 for Europe, given how Europeans drive their cars more spiritedly (revving) than we do in the US and have longer OCIs. Stuff must work.

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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: antiqueshell] #2705528
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Ford of Europe has worked with Castrol over the years.


They've also had a relationship with BP in the US...

Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: Nickdfresh] #2705546
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Ford of Europe has worked with Castrol over the years.


They've also had a relationship with BP in the US...

BP and Castrol are one and the same. Ford has been involved globally with them for several years. Seems as though it has been a profitable and good relationship.

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Re: Interesting: Ford Issues new 5w-20 spec (Europe) [Re: volk06] #2705721
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So is it better? Can we get it here?
Will it replace Motorcraft 5-20?

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