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LL 98 vs LL04 oil #2344521 08/12/11 03:36 AM
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Hi.

I have a very tricky question, at least for me, about oils, of course grin

I have a diesel BMW (Europe) and have access to buy Liqui Moly oil at a very good price.
My doubt is what could be the best option:
  • Synthoil High Tech 5W-40 100% Synthetic LL98
  • Top Tec 4100 5W-40 Synthetic Technology LL04 (think is hydrocracked)

My car is a BMW e46 Diesel without diesel particulate filters (DPF) and really don't know if use LL04 even been hydrocracked could have any benefit over the Synth LL98. duh
Hope here I can find some answers from the experts.

Thanks for your help.

Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: SidneyD] #2344529 08/12/11 04:20 AM
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Welcome to BITOG. smile

The LongLife-98 specification is obsolete, and the reason Liqui-Moly puts it on their labeling is because they recommend the product for certain older cars requiring that specification. Synthoil High Tech 5W-40 officially meets ACEA A3/B4-04, whilst being recommended for LongLife-98, Porsche A40, MB-Sheet 229.3 and VW 502/505. That said, LongLife-98 is pretty much the same as the ACEA A3/B3-02 specification, so an oil meeting ACEA A3/B4-04 automatically meets it anyway.

The LongLife-04 on the other hand is a low SAPS (sulphated ash, phosphorus, sulphur) specification for newer European vehicles equipped with diesel particulate filters, as you have mentioned. There is no problem using this oil, especially when sulphur levels are as low as 10 ppm in European fuels. But if you don't have a DPF, then you really don't need to use it unless it's your only choice.

That said, I would look for a LongLife-01 rated oil for your particular application. Liqui-Moly Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40 meets this specification, as well as many others like MB-Sheet 229.5.

As a final word, do not worry about the base oil. It is the complete package (base oil AND additive package) that matters. Base oils matter little in automotive applications, and Group III lubricants are now widespread in Europe. They can perform just as good as Group IV based products.


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: SidneyD] #2344542 08/12/11 04:56 AM
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BMW LL01 or better yet MB 229.5
Cheers

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Originally Posted By: 229
BMW LL01 or better yet MB 229.5
Cheers


Based upon what?

Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: JHZR2] #2348243 08/16/11 09:37 AM
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BMW LL01 or better yet MB 229.5
Cheers


Based upon what?


One place you can check the spec charts is lubrizol.com

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One place you can check the spec charts is lubrizol.com

Those aren't "the spec charts." They are just graphical representations of loose approximations of a few key aspects of engine oil performance. They don't cover everything, and they are far from exact.


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: d00df00d] #2348408 08/16/11 12:30 PM
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One place you can check the spec charts is lubrizol.com

Those aren't "the spec charts." They are just graphical representations of loose approximations of a few key aspects of engine oil performance. They don't cover everything, and they are far from exact.


How do you compare spec. numbers?
It seems the oils get progressively better with later alphanumeric characters at least up to low-saps oils.

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If I were using that Lubrizol tool, I would compare LL-98 to LL-01, 229.3 to 229.5, 229.31 to 229.51, etc. I wouldn't compare across manufacturers or third parties (e.g. BMW to MB, VW to ACEA, etc.), or across different kinds of specs (e.g. high-SAPS and low-SAPS as you indicated).


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: SidneyD] #2348427 08/16/11 12:50 PM
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OK, thanks. BTW, does your name have a cryptic meaning?

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OK, thanks. BTW, does your name have a cryptic meaning?


It's "dude food" so I'm gonna guess pizza and beer?


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: BobFout] #2348438 08/16/11 01:06 PM
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OK, thanks. BTW, does your name have a cryptic meaning?


It's "dude food" so I'm gonna guess pizza and beer?


dood = Nonstandard spelling of dude Dutch: dead ... Definition from Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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BobFout's translation is correct, and the pizza and beer thing is close.

I started college around 11 years ago, only a couple of years after my friends and I had discovered instant messenger programs. We thought it was cool to substitute numbers for letters in our online conversations.

One of my college friends and I met for lunch almost every day. We would discuss these meetings online, usually over AOL Instant Messenger. A typical online conversation would start roughly like this:

Me: "d00d!!!"
Friend: "y0"
Me: "f00d???"

Imagine having that exchange almost every day, at least once each day, for months. It was almost muscle memory after a while.

Hence, "d00df00d."


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: SidneyD] #2348820 08/16/11 08:22 PM
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I repeat my question... based upon what?

Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: JHZR2] #2349034 08/17/11 05:37 AM
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I repeat my question... based upon what?
he said based upon lubrizols chart.


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Re: LL 98 vs LL04 oil [Re: SidneyD] #2349036 08/17/11 05:42 AM
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The LL-01 specified oil is better than the LL-98 specified oil in the areas of oxidative and soot thickening, sludge, wear, and piston deposits. It remains high HTHS and SAPS for the OP's vehicle requirements. LL-01 is also ACEA A3/B4-04 rated versus A3-98 & B3 for the LL-98.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html

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