Rubbish diesel ?

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It hasn't been a particularly cold winter this year down, here, a couple of -4(C) mornings, and some serious (for us) blizzards/icy roads.

Had a workmate come to me the other day with problems starting his 40 year old tractor, another with a common rail VW 4WD, and a work related Hilux D4D.

Their starting difficulties were extreme, with boiling water offering a cure.

Took a sample from mine, and placed it in a glass jar. As night fell, I was checking it with a laser pointer, and seeing about when the laser started being diffracted.

Room temperature, clear as a bell. 4C, and the beam was seen clearly passing through the fuel, with a hazy red path surrounding it...and this is labelled as winter fuel.

Aforementioned workmate rang two majors, who told him that their winter diesel had been a failure this year, and recommended an additive (Amsoil don't do diesel additive down here).

Any ideas ?

As an aside, Shell have announce their refinery to close, which either has all of the fuel in my state out of the Caltex, or we are importing from Singapore, who don't have such problems...all basestocks (except the Wagga re-refinery) are now imported.
 
Blend in some Kerosene? Your oil company is just lazy, or got their delivery timing off. Or they couldn't find a third world country to dump their stuff on.

IDK what you get for adds, we have "Gunk" anti-gel at convenience stores and Stanadyne/ Power Service at Walmart and truck stops. "Diesel 911" for when you already have problems and need to soak your filter in something to get the crystal solids back in suspension.
 
I'm not having problems, but have added some of my kero stash.

Anti gel stuff isn't that common, as the fuel companies add a dash of kero and it's all they need for winter...usually.

Our fuel prices don't drop with oil prices, as they are now pegged to the Singapore finished prices...maybe with good reason.
 
Yep - rubbish fuel. Clouding at +4C?...that's summer fuel, period.

Seen a similar problem when the temperature got unseasonally cold in Connecticut (well below freezing point) before winter diesel was in the pump. Had to add Kero to the old Peugeot 504 to get it to run...

Since -4C is cold for your location, I suspect that it's not been blended at all - so the precipitation point is relatively warm...if there's no anti-gel - then a cut with Kero it is...

When we were flying the 747-400 on polar routes (ORD-HKG by going North, then coming down through Siberia & Mongolia), we would pull a sample during fueling and send it to the lab to determine the actual freeze point. The spec for Jet-A was -40C IIRC, but we often got a better # than spec from the lab. That allowed us to operate in the -65C air (there is some frictional heating....) without clouding in the wing tanks...
 
I'd stop by some lorry companies (?) [truck companies here, like ones that transport stuff long distances] and see if they can recommend an anti-gel additive.

Stanadyne Performance Formula might be sold there. Looks like quite a few on the map down there.

http://www.stanadyne.com/map/
 
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My home heating oil will start gelling at 10f. This only started since the mandate for low sulphur oil. The old stuff wasnt a problem until -10f.
 
Even here in the US there isn't much for diesel additives....

As I recall, PowerService additive is the only one sold locally, that or Seafoam, but that's universal....

If it's moisture/gel causing the issue, Seafoam may fix the problem, since it does contain IPA, light base oil, and napthas of some sort.
 
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Even here in the US there isn't much for diesel additives....

As I recall, PowerService additive is the only one sold locally, that or Seafoam, but that's universal....

If it's moisture/gel causing the issue, Seafoam may fix the problem, since it does contain IPA, light base oil, and napthas of some sort.


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- Power Service
- Stanadyne
- FPPF
- Howes
- Racor
- LubroMoly (imported from Europe)
- Amsoil

Many others
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Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Even here in the US there isn't much for diesel additives....

As I recall, PowerService additive is the only one sold locally, that or Seafoam, but that's universal....

If it's moisture/gel causing the issue, Seafoam may fix the problem, since it does contain IPA, light base oil, and napthas of some sort.


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- Power Service
- Stanadyne
- FPPF
- Howes
- Racor
- LubroMoly (imported from Europe)
- Amsoil

Many others
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Few others came to mind:

- STP
- Sta-bil


http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3423930&postcount=6
 
Most of those names aren't on the shelf down here.

and the names that are don't appear to be selling a winter treatment for diesels.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Most of those names aren't on the shelf down here.

and the names that are don't appear to be selling a winter treatment for diesels.



Stanadyne says they have resellers there, did you see my post up above? Their Performance Formula is a year-round additive.

http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=74
 
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It's a lot easier to carry around a can of additive than gallons of Kerosene...but at least you can get the kerosene...and there is no harm in using kerosene, other than the reduction in power (from the lower BTU fuel...)...
 
Got off work this arv in time to get to the two shops in town.

The Indy had nothing that advertised as stopping waxing.

http://www.repcotrade.com.au/go/news/chemtech-diesel-fuel-additive-technical-bulletin ($20/l)
http://www.goldeagle.com.au/product_stabil_diesel.html - ($70/quart
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http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Diesel_Injector_Cleaner/
http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Pro_Strength_Diesel_Fuel_Booster/
http://www.flashlube.com/en/products/diesel-fuel-conditioner.html
http://www.interject.com.au/additives.html (420P)
http://www.wynns.net/FFS_FuelAdditives_2010.pdf (The EDT)
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-...L.aspx?pid=6654

The stuff referred to in this BP bulletin (Rox) is what was recommended to workmates by Shell and Caltex as well.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet...l_Additives.pdf

Note that they intimate that cloud point isn't affected, but gel point is.

I use this for Cetane, as Oz doesn't meet Nissan's requirements...only buy it in the big smoke or the next town.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-...072#Description
 
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