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Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles #2061807
10/29/10 03:32 PM
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ridgerunner Offline OP
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Here it is fellas

Blackstone wrote: " Thanks for the note that this oil was from 1985. Back then copper was a common additive in the oil so the 97 ppm here isn't a problem at brass/bronze parts. Universal averages show typical wear levels for this type of engine after 4500 miles on the oil. This oil was run just 3,000 miles, so we're happy to see all wear readings close to or below averages. This engine was started right before the sample was taken, so that explains the fuel we found. The TBN was stong at 5.0, so lots of additive was left. 1.0 is too low. It looks like this old oil is doing just fine. Nice report.

aluminum 2
iron 5
copper 97
lead 6
tin 3
moly 17
Maganese 1
potasium 1
boron 18
silicon 9
sodium 8
calcium 428
magnesium 883
phosphorus 1031
zinc 1347

sus visc 210 67.6
cst 100 c 12.32
flashpoint 355
fuel 1.5
insolubles 0.3
TBN 5.0

for the sake of less typing, anything labled 0 was not put in.
let the games begin!

Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061808
10/29/10 03:34 PM
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WOW! Unbelievable! Good run!


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061814
10/29/10 03:42 PM
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London, ON, Canada
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That is awesome. I was wondering when this UOA would pop up. haha


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061815
10/29/10 03:46 PM
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JUST like I thought it would turn out!

You can clearly see how SE/SF oils sacrificed detergency for Zn/P and viscosity spread (as mola has said), although, even with low detergency, the oil still held good TBN.

VERY interesting about copper being an additive in old oils - I've never heard this before. I know copper is used in 'Restore', but I didn't know it was a regular oil additve in OTC oils!

Man, with a TBN of 5, you could probably run this 5-6k miles and be just fine, like many probably did back in the day! I've always wondered what the oil looked like that my Godfather would have run in his 1976 Gremlin that kept it going for 12 years. This, and the PS article have let that happen!

Thank-you soooo much!


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M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061821
10/29/10 03:55 PM
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the Sandhills of Nebraska
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Nice Nice.



Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061828
10/29/10 04:04 PM
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I don't comment in this section much, however I must do so here. It looks like there is nothing new under the sun in engine oils, only different ways to get there.. Copper by the way has outstanding lubrication properties.. I use copper based anti seize in place of grease/oil in some applications, and it outperforms expensive, top end stuff either grease, or oil most of the time.

Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061874
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Calcium 428? Don't think I'll be trying this in my car, but thanks for playing guinea pig for our entertainment.


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2061935
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The magnesium level of 883 is decent though...

Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: Nickdfresh] #2063044
10/31/10 02:50 AM
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Northern Kentucky
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Yep Yep it was a brave move on your part!


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063137
10/31/10 08:45 AM
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How is the oil still good being over 25 years old... or am i reading this wrong?


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063147
10/31/10 09:06 AM
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Great White North.. eh
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Great White North.. eh
Excellent report! 25 year old oil.. there's your answer for shelf life on oils!


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063485
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ridgerunner Offline OP
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I honestly thought there would be more comments...hhmmmmmmm...

Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063508
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seems like can go at least 5k?
Man, these oil chemistry is really beyond most people's understanding...


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063521
10/31/10 06:37 PM
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Okay, I'll reply as I did in your other thread.
I told ya'll that this oil would do just fine in a moderate performance engine in typical use, and it did.
Edge and Ultra?
For what?


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Re: Circa 1985 QS 10-40 in V6 GrandAm 3,000 miles [Re: ridgerunner] #2063950
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Originally Posted By: ridgerunner
I honestly thought there would be more comments...hhmmmmmmm...


I agree - thought folks would be all over this!


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M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
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