Changing unused oil - Why?

[rclint]

One more point, the post I made above are more directed to machinery, engines, cars etc that have been used, run etc have some wear not worn but have been used maybe 1/4-1/2 life, then when you stand or store these engines , cars whatever the worn in parts stick, corrode, or are attacked by the moisture laden fluid be it engine oil, hydraulic fluid, coolant, grease whatever... When you have a new part (all of the above) it's a different animal, maybe a fluid change could be extended to a longer time frame... I have also had experience with this as well, however you can still have problems depending on storage conditions, quality of lubricant, quality of machine work, and material used....

The military uses Cosmoline to protect from corrosion even in controlled stored conditions on guns, metals etc, I have also received machined parts with cosmoline even in short storage, or just shipping for corrosion protection... it's the same principle in my mind , you remove this oil/grease then fill with correct fluid (oil etc) ...

 

[boraticus]

rclint:

You make some good points and theoretically, there is a possibility that the problems you mention, "may" occur. I, however, have never encountered one oil related problem (other than the Amsoil/Ford issue) in forty years of mechanical ownership/experience.

Although I did not work in the mechanical field, I did major in diesel mechanics and kept my hand in all these years. I have learned that we tend to go waaaay over the deep end in a lot of mechanical maintenance respects. Much of that effort is very wasteful. I've also learned that sensible basic maintenance will achieve as much as excessive/expensive maintenance at a fraction of the cost.

Here's an example:

I have a Kubota diesel power plant out at my camp. It's 28 years old, and has close to 6000 hours on it. I use HDEO and change it and filter once a year, usually late summer or fall. Coolant gets changed every ten years and I've only put two fuel filters on it. I adjusted the valves for the first time this spring. Only one valve was a bit over spec. That's it. No other maintenance required.

If I were to follow the suggestions of some people here, I'd be doing/spending much more than I am now.

Twenty eight years/6000 hours with basic sufficient maintenance and not one problem! How much more can one ask for? This example is very much representative of the maintenance that all of my machines get. And I have a lot of machines. To this day, I've never had a mechanical failure other than a leaking carb or maybe a broken recoil spring on a pull start engine.

Savvy mechanics know the necessary balance between sufficient and excessive.

 

[SWSportsman]

Originally Posted By: boraticus
Savvy mechanics know the necessary balance between sufficient and excessive.


It would be nice if certain forum contributors knew of that balance.

Continually demeaning the choices of others because you may disagree with them gets old real quick, at least in the lower 48. Hey, it's my money...I worked for it, it didn't come in the form of a government check. If I want to change my oil, I'll decide when and where. Besides, how do you "waste" oil. Hopefully no one pours it on the ground or down the sewer. It's nearly all recycled now and put to good use.

 

[boraticus]

"It would be nice if certain forum contributors knew of that balance."

I'm certain that there are a select few who participate in these discussions that actually have tools and know how to use them. It would appear however, that there are more than a few participants that seldom, if ever roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty. Lots of commercial and magazine knowledge but they wouldn't know a drain plug from a spark plug.

It's the typical rags vs wrenches scenario where some people have hundreds invested in wax and polish and don't even own a pair of pliers.

It would also appear by certain individuals responses, that they are sensitized to the notion that others may perceive them to bet mechanically ignorant yet they continue to challenge the advice of those who have vast mechanical experience and knowledge.


"Besides, how do you "waste" oil."

You really need someone to explain that to you?????

Despite the fact that the answer to this question is blatantly obvious, I'll try to help you understand.

Pour fresh oil into an engine, don't use it, drain it and dispose of it. That's how you waste it.

????????

 

[SWSportsman]

"those who have vast mechanical experience and knowledge"

Internet "experts" are a dime a dozen...a legend in their own mind. Just because you've turned a wrench or two is no justification being condescending. Heck, truth be known there is one self-proclaimed messiah here who probably has more experience riding a keyboard in his momma's basement than in riding/maintaining motorcycles.

 

[grampi]

I would say dumping unused oil just because it sat in a crankcase over the winter is a waste of good oil. Sure there's going to be some condensation in the crankcase while in storage, but dumping perfectly good oil isn't going to get rid of the condensation. Only running the engine at full operating temps for a period of time will get rid of it.

 

[boraticus]

Originally Posted By: SWSportsman
"those who have vast mechanical experience and knowledge"

Internet "experts" are a dime a dozen...a legend in their own mind. Just because you've turned a wrench or two is no justification being condescending. Heck, truth be known there is one self-proclaimed messiah here who probably has more experience riding a keyboard in his momma's basement than in riding/maintaining motorcycles.


Now don't be so hard on yourself.

 

[Mr_Incredible]

For us, the cost of an oil change is the ticket price to 30-90 minutes of oil changing, wrenching, garage and tools fun. How often we buy that ticket is up to us.

I'd say that most of us know how much we're wasting in money, time, and oil. There are those that don't know that they don't need to change that oil, though. I don't think badly of them, just sad that they aren't knowledgable yet.

I don't buy the environmentally harmful aspect. There are few of us here that dump their oil on the ground or down the drain, and I don't buy the bit about "rapidly depleting resource."

 

[SWSportsman]

Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
How often we buy that ticket is up to us...


Mr. I, the more socialistic folks here just can't grasp that concept.

 

[SWSportsman]

Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: SWSportsman
"those who have vast mechanical experience and knowledge"

Internet "experts" are a dime a dozen...a legend in their own mind. Just because you've turned a wrench or two is no justification being condescending. Heck, truth be known there is one self-proclaimed messiah here who probably has more experience riding a keyboard in his momma's basement than in riding/maintaining motorcycles.


Now don't be so hard on me.


At least you recognized yourself...that's a good sign.

 

[boraticus]

Originally Posted By: SWSportsman
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: SWSportsman
"those who have vast mechanical experience and knowledge"

Internet "experts" are a dime a dozen...a legend in their own mind. Just because you've turned a wrench or two is no justification being condescending. Heck, truth be known there is one self-proclaimed messiah here who probably has more experience riding a keyboard in his momma's basement than in riding/maintaining motorcycles.


Now don't be so hard on me.


At least you recognized yourself...that's a good sign.



A rather infantile response. Considering the source, I'll just let it go.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever contributed anything to this site other than insults and derogatory comments?

I've never seen you post anything constructive.

 

[SWSportsman]

Originally Posted By: boraticus
Considering the source, I'll just let it go...


Like you have a choice? Keyboard heroes are quite comical!

If you have a problem with me personally, PM me or e-mail will be fine:

[email protected]

Continuing in this vein on the forum will probably result in another of your "vacations."