VOA : Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W30

[daman]

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Judging by the pour point of the oil I would say it's mostly PAO.

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I would agree, this oil seems to be a winner.

 

[Crusader]

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Looks like an excellent oil. When GC is lacking, I usually recommend the 0w40 M1. Now, the HM M1 oils look like excellent choices.

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Great point especially considering German Castrol is over $6 a quart and MI HM can be found at China Mart for $4 a quart in the 5 quart jug.

So is GC worth the extra $2 a quart over this oil?

 

[buster]

This oil is really robust. This would also make for a good racing oil IMHO.

 

[JetForeman]

I just put this oil in my wifes 2000 E320 last week. It will be a while before I'm ready to do a sample on it but I will certainly report back when I do. I'm also going to put it in my old Volvo 240 that has 214K miles on it this weekend as well. It seems like this oil will be good for many applications, I hope the samples come back as good as everyone is hoping for. I know I'm keeping my eyes open for the first one to be reported.

 

[Arved]

Thanks. Now I'm scratching my head. Compared to EP and Regular (SuperSyn), what makes this oil so special?

HM EP SS
Cu (Copper) 0 0 0
Fe (Iron) 1 1 1
Cr (Chromium) 0 0 0
Ni (Nickel) 0 0 0
Ti (Titanium) 0 0 0
Ag (Silver) 1 0 0
Pb (Lead) 0 0 0
Sn (Tin) 0 0 0
Al (Aluminum) 0 2 2
Si (Silicon) 7 3 3
Na (Sodium) 8 11 9
K (Potassium) 1 1 1
Mo (Molybdenum) 88 83 92
B (Boron) 276 290 85
Ba (Barium) 0 0 0
Ca (Calcium) 3003 3108 2514
Mg (Magnesium) 17 16 13
Mn (Manganese) 0 0 0
P (Phosphorus) 921 881 750
Zn (Zinc) 1032 1002 858
Viscosity 100C 11.58 10.5 10.7

Higher viscosity, but otherwise I'm thinking EP looks better. Anyone else?

 

[daman]

I would bet the base stock is better(HM)(more PAO), but i have no proof of this..

 

[Bobert]

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Thanks. Now I'm scratching my head. Compared to EP and Regular (SuperSyn), what makes this oil so special?
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HM EP SS

Cu (Copper) 0 0 0

Fe (Iron) 1 1 1

Cr (Chromium) 0 0 0

Ni (Nickel) 0 0 0

Ti (Titanium) 0 0 0

Ag (Silver) 1 0 0

Pb (Lead) 0 0 0

Sn (Tin) 0 0 0

Al (Aluminum) 0 2 2

Si (Silicon) 7 3 3

Na (Sodium) 8 11 9

K (Potassium) 1 1 1

Mo (Molybdenum) 88 83 92

B (Boron) 276 290 85

Ba (Barium) 0 0 0

Ca (Calcium) 3003 3108 2514

Mg (Magnesium) 17 16 13

Mn (Manganese) 0 0 0

P (Phosphorus) 921 881 750

Zn (Zinc) 1032 1002 858

Viscosity 100C 11.58 10.5 10.7

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Higher viscosity, but otherwise I'm thinking EP looks better. Anyone else?

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Comparing the HM to EP the additive quantities are extremely close. HM is definitely the better buy over the more expensive EP. Though you don't get the EP 15k guarantee -- which most people never go that far anyways.

Also I'm not sure that EP is going to have the same additive levels now that it is SM. This looks like M1 EP SL formula VOA, where Zinc/Phosphorus are somewhat higher.

Plus if you looking for a thicker 30wt. oil, the HM is a no brainer.

 

[daman]

HM over the EP anyday IMO..

 

[Cup of Joe]

Still a good option and currently on sale.

 

[shpankey]

Dang, the HM seems like a no-brainer to me. Looks the same as EP but 5 quarts for $21 compared to the EP which is quite a bit more.

Can someone answer that guy's question about running the 10w30 HM in winter when mixed w/ the 0w30?

Also, anyone have a VOA or the 5w30 HM?

 

[Patman]

This VOA was from 2007 though, chances are pretty good that the stuff sold today is not the same formula at all.

 

[Cup of Joe]

From all the data available it does not appear to have changed any. Don't forget this oil is rated SL and M1 lists the phosphorous at 900ppm nominal. There is a more current VOA of the 10w-40HM with similar spectro.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAXXENPVLMOMobil_1_High_Mileage_Oil.aspx

 

[shpankey]

Nice! Wow, M1's 10w30 HM has insanely awesome specs.

 

[JLR]

Mobil 1 high mileage has an API rating of SL. Does anyone know if oil has 1200 ppm ZDDP in it? I think the newer SM oils do not have ZDDP at all.

 

[Mackelroy]

alot of motorcycle oils also meet SL, they dont want to use that catagory, in order to seperate themselves from car oil.

I think SL oil has to be below 1400 ppm on zinc, many car oil run 600 to 1000ppm , I think MB1 HM is around 1000 ppm zinc

I ran the 10w40 HM for about 2000 mile or so, it worked, clutch actuation did change alittle, I took me a few rides to get used to it. Changing that out I went to Delo 400le, and that gave me a more normalclutch actuation and stronger clutch grip.

I probaly will not run HM mb in my bike again, but im using it in both truck and car

 

[Cup of Joe]

Originally Posted By: JLR
Mobil 1 high mileage has an API rating of SL. Does anyone know if oil has 1200 ppm ZDDP in it? I think the newer SM oils do not have ZDDP at all.


ZDDP is phosphorus and zinc read the product guide perviously posted. API SM is limited to 800 ppm of phosphorus the M1HM oils have 900ppm so they will not fit in API SM. If you are looking for 1200 ppm you have to look at HDEO's, CJ-4 is limited to 1200 ppm of phosphorus and CI-4+ oils are higher.

M1 0w-40 and 15w-50 both have higher phosphorus and zinc just look at the product guide as does the TDT 5w-40 which is a HDEO.

 

[daman]

The HM line has 1000PPM

 

[MolaKule]

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Does the 'cleaning' come from the calcium?

Here is some reading material that might help:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=530202#Post530202

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=530321#Post530321

 

[Mokanic]

Is the TBN of an oil "proprietary info"? EOM has to be the company in the world that thinks TBN is top secret info.

 

[buster]

They give all the Tbn figures for all their oils.