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Re: Planning very special oil change #195350
06/15/06 04:00 PM
06/15/06 04:00 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
rob-the-oil-nut Offline OP
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PapaBear:
Odometer reads 161-162,000 KM. 1 year ago it was 138,948 so this is about a 22,000 KM OCI
Car is a Pontiac but with an '01 or '02 Buick engine which had 110,000 KM on the odometer, and I was told about 20,000 KM on the swapped engine (I will assume that's actually 30,000 KM) when I bought it. GM Optimum Used car, which I was told had just got an oil change and the one before that was a few months and only a few summer test drives. Well it was down over a quart so I arranged for an oil change as soon as it was all formally mine, and since I needed time to get the by-pass installed, I had oil in there a scant 2000 miles or 3200 KM. Then went to Redline when the by-pass was installed.
Kind of driving? [LOL!] I drive like gasoline is a bar of gold per tankful. I pace lights, avoid speeding, corner hard but the engine is rarely nailed and is yellow-lined perhaps 20 seconds a month, in summer.

Don't give in to the impulse!!
To do what? I haven't decided yet! I think I am leaning toward drain the oil, with the air push but no BG cleaner, taking samples and marking them mid-stream and due to the pressurized air. All oil that is not in the sample bottles gets put in the cleaned milk jugs, back into the crankcase, add the BG stuff and another mid-stream sample and another with the air pushing the residue. Then replace the filters and put in Redline. If I get bad numbers from the labs, change to GC in first half of December.

If you decide to do it, please send me your 15 min GC.
That was never a big consideration / liklihood for me. Sorry, I did give that impression from some early thinking, but now am thinking that would be over-kill (and I love overkill on oil-related matters but this is excessive)
IF I used any great synthetic like Redline or GC for under a month, I would re-use it in someone's car (dad, sister, nephew) or at least the lawn mower. Then again you didn't PM me your bid [Big Grin]
Cheers
Rob the just-plain nut [Razz]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195351
06/16/06 09:36 AM
06/16/06 09:36 AM
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Bay Area, CA
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Still, I am wondering what your hypothesis is on the oil that is blown out with the air. Do you think it will have more contaminants in it that the other oil? I don't mean to be rude, but I just dont see that you can learn much from the analysis of the "blown" oil.

I think you might learn more if you got an analysis of the BG flush.

Re: Planning very special oil change #195352
06/16/06 10:10 AM
06/16/06 10:10 AM
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Ontario, Canada
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This oil change should have been done on 6/6/6.

Re: Planning very special oil change #195353
06/16/06 05:38 PM
06/16/06 05:38 PM
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Tennessee
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I would avoid the cleaner, and especially the air blow out. Some oil pumps can lose their prime, and when you start it, no oil pressure. Even if it doesn't lose prime, it will take "forever" to refill the oil pump. In the meantime, your engine is running with no lubrication. This would cause more damage than you could possibly prevent by removing every last drop of oil.

Re: Planning very special oil change #195354
06/17/06 02:12 AM
06/17/06 02:12 AM
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Manitoba, Canada
rob-the-oil-nut Offline OP
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I'm sending the link of this conversation thread to the mechanic and if there is a chance that I'll be running with a dry pump, I'll ensure it is looked after, even if I have to hook up a battery booster, disable engine start somehow, and turn it over until we need to worry about the starter. Call me anal, call me nuts, call me overboard, but the matter of oil starvation is of course something of great concern and this is not my first "after a whole year" oil change and I am thinking of as many factors as I can in pursuit of a great cleansing.

"Still, I am wondering what your hypothesis is on the oil that is blown out with the air. Do you think it will have more contaminants in it that the other oil?"
I distinctly recall that UOA samples should NOT be taken from the first or last quart or so. Surely I am not the only one to recall that, and I am very happy I'm not the only one to second-guess it: The oil had been circulating around and around and I don't see why the last bit should have different metal counts or the like, relative to mid-stream. Thus I want to test the how's and why's of it.

"I don't mean to be rude"
I know, and I thank you again. You are not rude and I shrug off those that are (to the best of my ability) There are over so many thousands on BITOG, the few that poke fun at me are not indicative of the many that want to see my results. FWIW the mechanic-friend used to poke fun at me for buying $12 a quart oil, shipped up from the US, keeping it in for a year because of a 1 micron absolute / 0.5 micron nominal filter

"but I just dont see that you can learn much from the analysis of the "blown" oil."
Has anyone done this before to see if they are same, similar, have some interesting differences, or are very different? If so it should have been posted on BITOG long ago. I have the nasty habit of volunteering the be the Guinea Pig. Thomas Edison, the Wright brothers, and those that first tried going into space or the moon, were scoffed at. I have no plans to be next to Edison in the history books, just trying to do what I can in my little corner of the BITOG world [Big Grin]

"I think you might learn more if you got an analysis of the BG flush."
That will be done also! I have chosen to take the mechanic-friend's advice and give BG's methods a try and give them the benefit of the doubt. They have done research and know what can go wrong. Plus the mechanic disbelieves everything at first and wants proof. He second-guessed and debated everything the teachers said in mechanic school and as a result, remembers the how's and why's and what-if's behind the course material. He caused the teachers great pain...probably the greatest when they gave him the award for a great 'final' at the end of the course. I trust him, he trusts BG, he suggested I try BG, I am trying and trusting BG.

Here is his plan / the plan: Drain all old oil into a jug. Then call in the 'air force' and do the 'blowing job' and keep that seperate for a test. Fill will plainish dead-dino oil, add the BG stuff. Run as needed, then drain with another set of samples, and another forced-air pushing of the residual oil (yet another bottle). Then fill with Redline. If the numbers come back as a problem, switch to GC for our Southern Manitoba winters. Now THAT is where I worry about dry start-ups.

Anything else to discuss?
Best wishes to all
Rob

Re: Planning very special oil change #195355
06/17/06 02:24 AM
06/17/06 02:24 AM
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Saskatchewan, Canada
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"switch to GC for our Southern Manitoba winters"

GC? Southern Manitoba? Get thee some Esso XD-3 0W-30!

Re: Planning very special oil change #195356
06/18/06 12:27 AM
06/18/06 12:27 AM
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Vista, CA
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Doing a sample on the blow out oil would be like doing an a sample on the oil left in an oil filter. Terry Dyson sez that oil samples from an oil filter are useless. Maybe you could contact him about getting his analysis. He might even tell you to go back to a midstream sample.

Exactly how to you do this air blow out?

Re: Planning very special oil change #195357
06/18/06 02:51 PM
06/18/06 02:51 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
rob-the-oil-nut Offline OP
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quote:
Originally posted by LarryL:
Terry Dyson sez that oil samples from an oil filter are useless. Maybe you could contact him about getting his analysis. He might even tell you to go back to a midstream sample.

Exactly how to you do this air blow out?

I will contact him, and as for the blowing, here is what BG has to say:
http://www.bgprod.com/products/engineoil.html
see "BG PF12
Power Flush & Prime for Engine Oil Systems"
Hey I just noticed this oil they have, BG Hi-L0W30 High Performance Engine Oil: "flows immediately to lubricate vital engine components, even at temperatures as low as 50 degrees below zero. It is an excellent product for arctic conditions. Provides long drain life of 15,000 miles." But I will have a look at that Esso stuff; THANKS!!
Rob

Re: Planning very special oil change #195358
06/18/06 07:32 PM
06/18/06 07:32 PM
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1/2 hr N.E. of Detroit
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Rob

Hopefully you are the last owner of your vehcicle & keep them beyond 300K. Otherwise, you are going way-overboard with this.

Re: Planning very special oil change #195359
06/18/06 10:56 PM
06/18/06 10:56 PM
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uh-uh!

Ya Think? [LOL!]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195360
06/19/06 03:18 AM
06/19/06 03:18 AM
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And you're going to do this experiment and give us back the results? And you're doing it with your own car? Is this like the Star Trek mandate, go forth boldly and seek out new worlds. This is the kind of stuff of which heros are made, a certain death mission with no safety net. [Patriot]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195361
06/19/06 11:39 PM
06/19/06 11:39 PM
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The direction to take samples mid stream is just standard technique for most types of samples. You don't want the initial bit of fluid because it could include contaminants from the nozzle. you don't want the end bit of fluid because it could contain sediment. You want the mid stream because it is the most representative of the fluid in the system.

Same goes for water samples, oil samples, even urine samples. [Big Grin]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195362
06/20/06 01:42 AM
06/20/06 01:42 AM
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Santa Barbara, CA
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quote:
Originally posted by Winston:
...even urine samples. [Big Grin]

And yet the call the mid-stream a "clean-catch" sample [I dont know]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195363
06/20/06 01:58 AM
06/20/06 01:58 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by surfstar:
quote:
Originally posted by Winston:
...even urine samples. [Big Grin]

And yet the call the mid-stream a "clean-catch" sample [I dont know]
They are refering to uncontaminated urine, not your hand [LOL!] [LOL!] [LOL!]

Re: Planning very special oil change #195364
06/23/06 08:28 AM
06/23/06 08:28 AM
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Manitoba, Canada
rob-the-oil-nut Offline OP
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Some comments could lead me to some negative thinking and negative replies. Then I thought what an honour ( [Canada] spelling) this is: I am too oil-nutty for some members of BITOG, which is where hardcore oil nuts post things about oil. I had oil that was in there for under an hour, NOT MY IDEA. But I am not the only one; I recall a thread about 'what was your shortest OCI.'
I have been in touch with 3 labs and what tests I choose to do, I will decide and (probably) post here.
I showed the dipstick to a buddy that is an ex-mechanic and he said "this oil has no more than 120 KM on it" ...anyone have such an ability, or know someone that does? Yikes that is downright spooky. He also said I had gunky valves. there WAS Auto-RX treatment done on the engine and I now am using LC, higher than what LC posts but what others like Terry Dysan (I've been in touch with him, too) suggest as a max sage use of LC. I doubt I'll be adding every 500-1000 miles though, I usually forget & procrastinate.
Have a great weekend
Rob

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