To all of you Ford experts...My Son in Law has a 2007 Ford focus and wanted to change his air filter.... He found out from Ford that it cannot be changed. It is suppose to last for 150,000 miles. I have never heard about this. Anybody know about this type of filter and what is the logic behind it.....
2007 Ford Focus Air Filter
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I only had my 05 Focus ST for 42k, but was told the same thing when I went to change it at 30k. I didn't believe them so I pulled the unit and couldn't figure out how to open the darned thing with out breaking it open. I didn't try to hard, since two dealers said it was good to go.
Doesn't the car have a restriction indicator on it. If it's in the green leave it alone. If it's in the red, they can be replaced.
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it's kinda like the 6.0L diesel air filters. When it gets 3lbs full of dirt, you can replace it. it's so huge, and at $80, it's easier to kinda let it ride in the car for longer than you'd expect.
For the Focus it looks to be around 200.00 for the unit. Seems like you could purchase a lot of regular air filters for about 15 bucks every 20 thou or so and it would be a lot cheaper......
Actually I just looked it up again and the list price from Ford is $470.32....
Theres a few different housings listed. They dont give a generic FA-XX Motorcraft part number with a 9601 base, all have a 9600 base like an air filter housing would have. If i can get the last 8 of the VIN i can tell exact price and part number.
Its one of those things thats cool from a technology standpoint, but at the same time really annoying.
Its one of those things thats cool from a technology standpoint, but at the same time really annoying.
next time I talk to him I will get the VIN number... thanks for your help..
My Ford ZX2 has a replacement schedule for the cabin air filter.
The only problem is, it does not have one.
But a cabin air filter is to help clean the air admitted to the interior for the heater and AC.
Normal operation takes in 'fresh' air, possibly through a filter, routes it through the heater or AC evaporator, and into the car interior.
150,000 seems awful high. Either the filter is almost useless to go this far without changing, or it is a royal PITA to get to.
The only problem is, it does not have one.
But a cabin air filter is to help clean the air admitted to the interior for the heater and AC.
Normal operation takes in 'fresh' air, possibly through a filter, routes it through the heater or AC evaporator, and into the car interior.
150,000 seems awful high. Either the filter is almost useless to go this far without changing, or it is a royal PITA to get to.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.122.3342&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Found this PDF file explaining Ford's new lifetime (150,000 mile) air filter setup. It looks like it is a thick foam media with a little bit of oil in the center of the foam. Supposedly more efficient than a normal paper filter.
Found this PDF file explaining Ford's new lifetime (150,000 mile) air filter setup. It looks like it is a thick foam media with a little bit of oil in the center of the foam. Supposedly more efficient than a normal paper filter.
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"Compared to traditional (paper) technologies
the Long Life filter allows about 1.5 to 3 times lower dust
penetration to the engine. Again, this can be significant
for engine wear, protection and durability"
I'm off to search for UOA's on 2004 and later Ford Focus's (Foci?) to see if the have lower than normal silicon numbers...
"Compared to traditional (paper) technologies
the Long Life filter allows about 1.5 to 3 times lower dust
penetration to the engine. Again, this can be significant
for engine wear, protection and durability"
I'm off to search for UOA's on 2004 and later Ford Focus's (Foci?) to see if the have lower than normal silicon numbers...
OK, I found 5 different UOA's on 2005 and 2006 Ford Foci. The total Si was 50 and the total miles was 31897, giving an average of 1.6ppm of Si per 1K miles. This means on average, you'd have to put 6,000 miles on an oil to get silicon numbers up above single digits.
Not bad for a K&N air filter on steroids.
Not bad for a K&N air filter on steroids.
Seems like a simple air filter would have been just fine....change it every 15 to 20 thou at a cost of 10 to 20 bucks..... KISS... Keep It Simple Stupid...
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Doesn't the car have a restriction indicator on it. If it's in the green leave it alone. If it's in the red, they can be replaced.
More info.....http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1068237
At 90,000 miles mine is still green. Waiting for someone who's had to replace one to chime in.
I think the indicator is scheduled to be checked at 100,000 miles.
Doesn't the car have a restriction indicator on it. If it's in the green leave it alone. If it's in the red, they can be replaced.
More info.....http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1068237
At 90,000 miles mine is still green. Waiting for someone who's had to replace one to chime in.
I think the indicator is scheduled to be checked at 100,000 miles.
Guys - We are talking about a CABIN FILTER, not an air filter for the engine.
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